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Iran in the contemporary era

Bakhtiari (An original Aryan tribe)

The great and heroic Bakhtiari clan
The great and heroic Bakhtiari clan

The original Iranian people can be found in Illor ( Great Lor; Il Bakhtiari and Ler Kochak people of Lorestan) Kurds, Baloch and Nambard, all of which are sub-branches or families of Parthians.

Il Bakhtiari with a population of over 4 A million people alone is the largest tribe in the world and Iran ( Of course, there are so many Kurds that they are recognized as one people) that lors are only in Chahar Mahal and Bakhtiari provinces, Khuzestan, Kohkiloyeh and Boyar Ahmad, Pars ( Mamsani Pars) Shahin Shahr of Isfahan, Lorestan, Bushehr(white people) And … Live .

This tribe is one of the sub-branches of the Parthian Arya tribe, and its relatives include the Parthians of Golestan and North Khorasan.. Once upon a time by the Caspian Sea ( Caspian ) After the passing of Ando, ​​they gave their name to that sea, this tribe along with the small lers ( People of Lorestan ) And the Kurds after migrating from southern Siberia ( The famous and great Indo-European migration) In the province of Konuni Parthiana ( Khorasan ) sat down .

Until now, their family was very small and gradually increased their numbers . They started the Ashkan government before Islam, although their fathers were among the elders of the Achaemenid dynasty. ( Their clothes ) And also after Islam, the government of Zandiya was formed by them . Lors ( The Bakhtiaris ) Until the time of the Ashkanian attack on foreign and Greek Seleucids in Asterabad ( Gorgan ) and they were brought to the current Bakhtiari mountains to guard the borders and win wars. ( Of course, at that time there was still no division of lers) to the Zagros mountains ( The current province of Chahar Mahal, Bakhtiari and Kohkiloye ) They fled and started a guerilla war with the Arabs . They used to fight with the Arabs in the mountains to the point where the Persians nicknamed them Bakhtiari. They were lucky and helped . Those who were Zoroastrians after the introduction of Islam; They became Muslims and chose the Shia religion .

Il Bakhtiari to 2 The Haft Lang and Four Lang branches are divided, this division was due to the taxes of their time ( About 1000 last year ) 11 There were brothers and cousins ​​who fought over their ancestral lands, and finally 4 The Langs were able to acquire more land, which made them pay higher taxes, and the Haft Langs less..

Bakhtiari clan in the constitution
Bakhtiari clan in the constitution

Separation ;

Separation of lers ( Including Bakhtiari { Great Ler } And little Ler { The people of the current Lorestan province } ) From the Kurds, it goes back to war and struggle to take over the position of Khan. As from the capital of Chahar Mahal and Bakhtiari province; The city of Kurds appears to show that once the Kurds were there, and then with the victory of the Lors ( Both Bakhtiari and Ler Koch) They were driven out and took the road to the north of Zagros and settled, which greatly increased their population. . From the arguments ( reasons ) Increase in numbers ( population ) They are good weather ( Better than four impossible ones ) And there was rain and soil fertility. Those who live in the countries of Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon and … They live in the Aryan race and their language is one of the branches of the Indo-European language . The lers, which included a large population, also have clans ( clans ) There were a lot of them, which is what caused the separation of the goats ( Bakhtiari ) From the small lers, the big ler takes its name from the property of many khans, and in the same way, the small ler . The small ships took the same route to the northwest and separated.

Tongue ; Dari Persian

The language of the Bakhtiaris is Dari Persian, which is very close to current Persian, but their difference comes from the pronunciation of letters and words, for example, they have a letter based on “ق” does not have and usually ( mixed up ) They pronounce it and last year the most authentic remaining language of Persian was known, for example the elders of this tribe who are completely Lori ( Dari Persian) They say to praise and compliment : He said no ( He has no words ) And it has the least mixture with the language of the Arab brothers . Many such words have been seen in it . They say poetry to say poetry (( bit or bits)) ( For example, they say, shut up dude { Making fun of } ) Or Abaze without instruments, which means dancing without instruments, which is the Arabic word for dance and the Persian word for playing. They swear by fire and keep bread and salt as sacred and salt each other. Our Bakhtiari language is based on strict rules, and its summation is very similar to Persian, but there are differences in some places..

Bakhtiari man
Bakhtiari man

clothing

Their clothes can be called Chukha ( clothes ) He pointed out that it is men's clothing . This dress is similar to a cordin, but not with sharp and long shoulders, but rather it falls on the shoulders . It is made of goat hair and its carvings are from Pasargad ( Tomb of Cyrus the Great ) imitated . And it goes back to Zoroastrian religion . Because Sepenta Mino ( The opposite of Satan or the devil ) It is marked with white color and by creating stripes through the black lines ( Angre Mino = devil or devil ) It is placed towards the top and superiority over evil and evil, and opposite to the lines of Siya or Angre Mino, they come down and are degraded. . Bakhtiari men also wear pants with very wide legs and are black in color, which are called debit pants, which represent masculinity. . They also wear a black or white felt hat . This dress in ancient times with bow and arrow and now with gun ( Usually Brno ) It is and will be decorated . Even now, the Bakhtiaris live in the city, whose number is approx 3 It reaches a million people, from male children ( Larry is called a deaf boy ) In local dress ( which is very expensive !) and the toy gun, Sima ( Picture ) they take.

They always teach their children, both boys and girls, to tell the truth ( action ) sit up straight ( on a horse ) and shoot right ( bow and gun ) .

Women's clothing can be Mina, which is a kind of scarf ( Both before Islam and after Islam ) named . This enamel is mostly in the form of a beautiful and large colored mask . They wear this type of scarf with gold coins ( Gold ) Or they decorate with silver in the same period of history and are proud of it, they call it Lakh and tie it around the forehead; 98% Daughters have now inherited Bakhtiari from their grandmothers ( Men's inheritance is Chugha, Kurdin, bow or bow and gun ) Most of the Bakhtiaris also know their language perfectly, they consider it their duty because otherwise it will be lost . ( Here is Aryavich; Ariana ; yes for him Aran; And finally, Iran means the land of Aryans ) The women of Asil Bakhtiari also wear a skirt called Ghari skirt, which is similar to men's trousers. The dress is very wide and it is also very similar to the clothes of Achaemenid and northern women. ( Like men's clothes ) Women also fight alongside men.

inside and outside

They are hospitable and hospitable people who, with a kind heart, have not always allowed friendships to be violated. They have always defended their holy country side by side with their brothers, and their last defense was in the holy defense. . One of the best and most successful wars was during the constitutional period, when through their brothers Sattar Khan and Baqir Khan, they were able to form a military government and conquer Tehran. .

the outside : ( appearance ) They are tall and well-built people; They are white-skinned and the hair color of an authentic Bakhtiari is brown or yellow, which of course also depends on the weather, for example in Khuzestan and near Parsumash.( Suleiman Mosque ) There is an area in one of the valleys to which” Buri Valley ” They say that there were fair and beautiful people, when we inquired the reason, they said that “”seven “” owes means water . The ancient Bakhtiari people had green and blue eyes before the race was burnt due to the weather, and now their number is very high among Bakhtiaris and usually in every family. 65 someone ( Grandfather, grandmother, uncle, aunt, uncle and…) Always at least 28 Their people are like this, of course, the rest have brown eyes and hair.

fees

Anan Baqir from the celebration of Noorur, 4 Syrian Saturday, 13 Badr, Yalda night celebration (Shahnameh reading is popular during the Yalda night celebration ) And the celebration of the century, a ceremony such as reading the Shahnameh ( On Yalda night ) cry sometimes ( The grief of losing loved ones ) Diwan Hafez Khawani and … also have:

Reading Shahnameh : One of the important customs is that on the night of Yalda by the khan or the white beard or the father of the family that it or parts of it were removed; is read . which used to be recited by educated people, but later due to lack of maturity due to lack of communication for several years in the mountains, the Shahnameh was kept and passed on by people from one to another..

cry sometimes : The sad music is by Toshmal ( A tribe of Indians that was added to the army of that time in the post-Islam era, the Bakhtiaris, to create enthusiasm and pride among the soldiers, which of course are of the same race.) It is played and sung, which is very sad and still has become a ritual and symbol among urban Bakhtiaris, and it must be performed..

Of course, on the contrary, this ceremony is also common in weddings, which is played and sung by Toshmals.

thrashing : After the wedding, a group of young boys accompanied by a group of boys ( A kind of voice created by girls and women, which is popular in all Iranian tribes and is also present in many modern pop songs. ) Girls and women go to the valley or the plain with horses and guns to do a kind of friendly sport that was always accompanied by the roar of guns and in the past with bows..

From the beliefs of this family ( Bakhtiari ) Like other Muslims, they believe in the only God of the Qur'an, Muhammad ( ص ) Ali Wali Allah ( ع ) And it is bread, salt and fire that all of them used to swear and remember.

Good horse, good boy ( In terms of warfare ) It is also an honor to have . Here is Iran.

Rokhshai, the first assistant of Iranian artificial intelligence Rokhshai, the first assistant of Iranian artificial intelligence

Shamshad Amiri Khorasani

Knowing the history and culture of Iran is like entering a world where nothing awaits us except love and honor and sometimes sadness, maybe our history is stored in the memory of our genes so that we can use it to expand self-awareness and self-awareness. .

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Bakhtiari

What are the wrong words you wrote?. We Bakhtiaris and Kollars were natives of our land before the migration of the Aryans to the Iranian plateau. The Aryans came later and have nothing to do with us, the Bakhtiaris. They are from present-day Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, and they came from there, and later Turkish tribes took their place.

Arya Bakhtiari

I am Bakhtiari Haftleng. I have never been an Elamite and never will be. I don't want to consider myself the heir of the extinct civilization of Elamite, Hori, and Lulobis. In Bakhtiari, there are still people with white skin, blue eyes and blond hair. My DNA test showed single group R1a-Z645, which means I am Aryan. Addressing those idiots who call Bakhtiaris and say we are not Bakhtiaris. Mr. Khorasani, delete the comments of these enemies. Tell me, if you are not Aryan, then why do you speak in Aryan language???!!! If you are not Aryan, then why is your skin white?!؟! Probably you are not Iranian at all and you are Mongolian. On behalf of the Bakhtiaris, I say that we are Aryans and I am not ready to take a step back. If you are Elamite, then why don't you write in Elamite script?! Do you even know how to speak Elam?! These are all nonsense. Enemies are doing divisive things and you believe it too. I am an Aryan, whoever does not accept and feels that he is not Iranian, it is better to go to a small island and build his desired government.!!! Here are the friends of the Aryan land. Mr. Khorasani, leave this comment in response to this gentleman who has insulted the honorable nation of Bakhtiari… We Bakhtiaris are no different from other Iranian ethnic groups, we just got an ethnic split.

Arya Bakhtiari

Read this to understand that we Bakhtiaris are not an independent race and are completely Iranian. We don't have anything called Aryan migration, Aryans were always natives of Iran. And quite the opposite! These were the Elamites who were not Iranian. What does pre-Aryan mean?!

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Arya Bakhtiari

It is not possible that we Bakhtiaris are not Aryans. We are Aryans. We are completely white and like the people of Greece and Italy. You are a bunch of losers and strangers.
You are not aware of what the enemy is doing to you. Aryans are true Iranians because they were always natives of Iran.

See the face of this Bakhtiari child and then see the reconstructed face of the Elamite people!!!!!!!
Search this word on the internet and see the real face of Elamites!!!
Elamo-Dravidian face

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Arya Bakhtiari

The reconstructed face of the Elamites, how do we Bakhtiaris resemble the Elamites?!!!

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Arya Bakhtiari

The face of a Bakhtiari child… Where does he have a facial resemblance to the Elamite black-red people???!!؟

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Arya Bakhtiari

pure lie!!! We are not Elamites and we will not be. See the real face of Elamites in the photo below. Are you still saying that we are Elamites???!!? These are the survivors of Elamo-Daravi.

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Arya Bakhtiari

We Bakhtiaris are not Elamites. My autosomal test 100% Iranian and Caucasian (white man) hit. I was very close to Europeans. It is not possible for us to be Elamites. Look at the photo of the restoration of Elamite woman

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I am Aryan

Hello, please delete this, Mr. Khorasani, this is wrong. Elamite people were not black or yellow or Indian. Elamite people were white, this is wrong, probably everyone is playing with Aryan name.. By the way, Elamites and Aryans are of the same race and both were similar. These were the pseudo-scientific assumptions of 19th century historians. Delete this Please delete these comments as soon as possible. Elamites were not Indians at all, I don't know why this guy made this comment.! Both Elamites and Aryans united with each other and formed an Elamite-Aryan confederation and occupied the Middle East with each other's help.. We are the heirs of Elamites and Aryans, Elamites later became Aryans.
People are not scientifically literate, these photos were challenged on English-language sites, these photos are of the Berber people of North Africa, not the Elamites.!!! The Elamites were like the people of Greece, Italy and even England! Genetic findings deny the existence of African descent. This is an authentic historical site and shame on your reputation with these photos.

Arya Bakhtiari

The photo of the surviving Elami woman. They are from eastern Iran. We Bakhtiaris are Aryans. The goal of liars is to destroy Iran, to disintegrate Iran…

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Arya Bakhtiari

Elamites are polytheists and polytheists, while Aryans are the world's first monotheistic religion (زرتشت) They built. It was the Aryans who were able to conquer the three continents of Asia and Europe at the same time (Anatolia) and Africa (Egypt) rule and bring the three great civilizations of Mesopotamia, Egypt and the Indus Valley under the shadow of the Persian Achaemenids.. I am a proud soldier of Pars Bakhtiari Haftlang. Pars and Med and Pern (Parthian) They make no difference to me. Even the Prophet of Islam spoke about Persian men. The great ethnologists of the world considered us Iranians to be Aryans, then you say we are Elamites???!! The separatists are doomed to defeat. My Iran is the land of Aryans

Arya Bakhtiari

The face of a Bakhtiari child. How is this spring similar to the Indian community, the Elamites, and the Indians?!

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Arya Bakhtiari

An Iranian Aryan of a fully Caucasian phenotype… Elamite civilization is extinct !!!

چشم-آبی
I am Aryan

According to the principle of sustainability of physics, which we can generalize to other human sciences, no civilization is destroyed, but it is transferred to another civilization.! Please delete this, don't divide you. Elamites and Aryans were both of the same race, and it is a lie that they say Aryans and Elamites fought each other.! No archeological documents and evidence confirm that the Elamites were of black or Indian race. By the way, the Elamites, like the Aryans, were of the Caucasian race

Arya Bakhtiari

What does this Bakhtiari girl have in common with dark-skinned Elamites??!!

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Arya Bakhtiari

Aryans served humanity the most, millions of amazing discoveries and inventions from electricity, light bulb, car, television, airplane, train, crane, elevator, escalator, computer, internet, artificial intelligence, printer, telephone, video camera, cooler, refrigerator , gas stove, heating, washing machine, guitar, musical keyboard, thousands of medical devices and tools, alcohol, medicine, vaccine, cinema, architecture, tabochelonium, chess, backgammon, pizza, hamburger, philosophy, law, politics, suit and… brought that mankind cannot live without them. And the progress and prosperity that the world has now is due to their efforts.

The photo below of the man who gave light to the world. Thomas Edison haplogroup R1a Aryan saliva of his relatives…

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Arya Bakhtiari

Colored and blond-eyed Iranians. According to the Mongoloid three-race theory (The Mongols of East Asia) and Montenegrin (Black people of African descent) and Caucasian (Bright-skinned)… Such figures were not native to the Elamites. The photo below clearly shows that Iranians are Aryans

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Arya Bakhtiari

While the face of a surviving Elamo-Dravidian woman… How are we similar to the Elamites???

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I am Aryan

This is an Indian woman and has nothing to do with the Elamites, the Elamites were not dark skinned at all.. The Elamites were probably similar to the people of Greece, Turkey, Italy, Syria, and Lebanon. We Iranians are so-called white Mediterranean race

Arya Bakhtiari

This is Bakhtiari's daughter.

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Arya Bakhtiari

Genetic distance to alien ancestry…(165,000yr±). Elamite-Dravidian is something between East Asian and South Asian people. They are with Australo-Melanesian (Australian and Indian Indians) are related! Not the Bakhtiaris!!!! Convergence and genomic orientation of all ethnic samples towards the central Iranian cluster (CIC) is inclined. We are in the same genetic family with Europeans and Anatolians and Levantines, not Dravidian and Elamite Indians.!!

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I am Aryan

I accept this, but the Elamu-Dravidian hypothesis has been declared an obsolete and invalid hypothesis. This does not mean that because the Elamites may have spoken a language related to the Dravidians thousands of years ago, that means they are Indians.!! In addition, the Indus and Dravidian civilizations themselves had Aryan blood. New research showed that both Elamites and Dravidians had Aryan blood.. God forbid, don't write this. Don't destroy this site, it was a good site that Pan-Turks want to destroy!

Arya Bakhtiari

What does this player have in common with Elamites??

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Wash

Did you post this picture of the famine? No one wears a belt or a train. The belt or train is for Qoba, and the Chuqa was worn over it. Now there are many mistakes in wearing clothes.
And what is your document that says Bakhtiarians are party?!! Well, Zagros has been inhabited for thousands of years, to associate the Bakhtiaris with the Parthians is a very wrong thing, in general, the Lers-Bakhtiaris.
They are a combination of pre-Aryans and Aryans who have also had linguistic changes

Reza 4 Lang

Everything you said is correct, except for the place where you said that Lors are from the Parthians, Lors are definitely Aryans, and at one time they migrated to Iran under the rule of Elam, and they formed their city, and the city of Pars was still uninhabited. Mad Pars Parth is not divided, that is, in fact, the Anshanis are the ancestors of the Persians, and after the weakening of the Ilam government to the south of the Zagros, they formed the city of Pars, the capital of which is Istakhr, almost the marshy areas of Shiraz, this city of Shiraz and Fars was formed from the fifth century onwards. The prosperity of the Persian cities, including the pool, will decrease and the city of Shiraz will be rebuilt, and at that time it will be preserved for political reasons during the Mongol invasion, and this is the reason for its reconstruction.

Reza

Hello, I myself am Bakhtiari from Shush. Bakhtiari is Ler. Ler has three children. His eldest son is Oli Bakhtiari and the second child is Mamsani. It is a big clan, otherwise it is not like Bakhtiari, after Bakhtiari 10,000 years ago in Khuzestan and these areas where they are, all the Lers from the Bakhtiari tribe, from the Mamseni tribe, from the Fili tribe, all the Lers were in their own areas, and the Lers from The Elamites were either Kasi or Caspian, and some Bakhtiaris have a castle called Chaghazanbil, then some mistake Lek Ler and Lek Kurd, Lek Ler, which they say is from the tribe of Fili.

The son of Cyrus the Great with the honor of Pars(Fars)

In the name of Ahura Mazda and my leader and prophet Zoroaster

Timber no rapti (relevant) According to the history of Kurdistan and Farsnameh of Naseri and Hamdallah Mostofi, he did not come to Pars from Jabal al-Samaq in Syria
I told you the sources .
Cyrus the Great, the father of Iran Zemin, was from Baida, Pars province
If you say so, it is fine !
At that time, Izeh was a part of the great state of Pars, and its people were Persians at that time
And before the migration of Mamsani and Bakhtiari tribes from Jabal al-Samaq, Persians lived there
Fars and Pars are the same as you know
According to the decisive proof, Fars is the Arabic for Pars
In Pahlavi and Pahlavi ways
Pars tributary and Fars tributary
the end

Well, you stole your history and transferred it to Fars province, go and read history. Persians first lived in Parsomash and Izeh, Bodenep, and Cyrus's father, Hamem Parsumas, and he himself was born in Izeh. Historical Khuzestan is seven thousand years older than your province. Badansandeh and Ashurbanipal's inscription is the first time that the name of the Pars people is mentioned in the Parsumash area . Baida used to be a part of Khuzestan, and all the cities of Fars province have ancient monuments, all of them are still standing and part of Khuzestan. . You are not a Persian, you only got a Persian name later because they used to call all the nomadic areas from Hamedan to Bushehr in Pars, your origin is Tahiki and Afghan, and Fars has nothing to do with Persians, go and fake the tazikh, you have already upset us with music and being a nomad. The Achaemenians and the Mafge of Cyrus, which you named Rosh's Tomb, is the custom of Lorra, please go read history and stop stealing history, Lorra, the whole of Zagros was in their hands, then you Tahiki and Afghan kid transferred their entire civilization to Fars. Persians are lers, the rest of Qashqais are Gypsies and Persians, who are not Parsebs, you are only driven by the illusion of the name Pars, the history and civilization of Iran is related to the brave and warrior men of Bakhtiari.. Secondly, only Sardar Asad's ancestors, who were the commanders and rulers of the areas under the control of Iran, had gone to Syria, and later they did not return to Iraq, Afghanistan, Bekhrin, Oman and many other countries went to Lezha as commanders and soldiers, and some did not return like the ancestors of Sardar Asad. And many still live there. All Persians are Indian Tajiks and Afghans.

Arya Bakhtiari

In fact, the Elamites became completely extinct!! Don't expect the return of an extinct civilization! The Elamites were completely destroyed by Ashurbanipal and the Mesopotamia. We, the Bakhtiaris, are Aryans and we hope that the Aryans will be established and strong forever. Elamites, Negro Mongoloid racial composition (Indian-black) They had and they were Caucasian (white man) were not! Does that mean we Iranians are Indians and blacks now???!!!! Don't talk. We are not Elamites and we are Aryans with pride. Shame on those who sold such a great civilization to the extinct Elamites. If the Elamites were powerful, then why were they easily defeated by the Assyrians??? So why were they easily conquered by the Median tribes???!!!! How could they not expand their borders like Cambodia? How many things do the Elamites have like the Charter of Cyrus???!!!! The name of Cyrus is thousands of times more complex in the world.. Mentioned in the Torah, where are the Elamites now???!!

Hamdullah Mostofi made a very historical mistake with this mistake. He considered the clans of Lori who had gone to Syria with the help of Saladin Ayyubi and returned as Syrians. The mentioned clans all have Iranian and Persian names. If they are Syrian, then why are their names not Syrian? And more interestingly, he even said their history wrongly, which is another reason for their mistakes . Do you mean to say that five or six provinces of the country were empty of people, then a group of people came from Syria and settled??!! It is also the most pleasant province of Iran !! Linguistic data shows that there are examples of the primary core of the Iranian language and the Iranian language in the language of Leran and Bakhtiari, which proves that they lived in these areas for thousands of years. Due to the neighborhood and the fear of the attacks of Mesopotamian civilizations and peoples, they moved the seat of their government to the current Fars

ایرانی

Before the revolution, many Qashqais joined the Bakhtiari clan, and many Bakhtiaris also joined the Qashqai clan ..
The Qashqais and the Lors are very close to each other, the reason is that they have lived together in the same geographical location for more than a thousand years. . Countless connections have been made between these two peoples. In a few centuries, the race of the people of the cities of Chaharmahal and Kohgiluyeh and .. that Qashqais and Lers live together, it will be completely mixed . Now in our clan close 500 People are of mixed race of Qashqai and Lor .

Mehdi

The Persians entered Iran 2,500 years ago, while our ancestors, the Elamites, were in this land tens of thousands of years ago.
Many of the things raised here about our tribe are completely invalid

فریبا

Well, you stole your history and transferred it to Fars province, go and read history. Persians first lived in Parsomash and Izeh, Bodenep, and Cyrus's father, Hamem Parsumas, and he himself was born in Izeh. Historical Khuzestan is seven thousand years older than your province. Badansandeh and Ashurbanipal's inscription is the first time that the name of the Pars people is mentioned in the Parsumash area . Baida used to be a part of Khuzestan, and all the cities of Fars province have ancient monuments, all of them are still standing and part of Khuzestan. . You are not a Persian, you only got a Persian name later because they used to call all the nomadic areas from Hamedan to Bushehr in Pars, your origin is Tahiki and Afghan, and Fars has nothing to do with Persians, go and fake the tazikh, you have already upset us with music and being a nomad. The Achaemenians and the Mafge of Cyrus, which you named Rosh's Tomb, is the custom of Lorra, please go read history and stop stealing history, Lorra, the whole of Zagros was in their hands, then you Tahiki and Afghan kid transferred their entire civilization to Fars. Persians are lers, the rest of Qashqais are Gypsies and Persians, who are not Parsebs, you are only driven by the illusion of the name Pars, the history and civilization of Iran is related to the brave and warrior men of Bakhtiari.. Secondly, only Sardar Asad's ancestors, who were the commanders and rulers of the areas under the control of Iran, had gone to Syria, and later they did not return to Iraq, Afghanistan, Bekhrin, Oman and many other countries went to Lezha as commanders and soldiers, and some did not return like the ancestors of Sardar Asad. And many still live there. All Persians are Indian Tajiks and Afghans

Arya Bakhtiari

Does that mean you are Indian and black now??!!! On behalf of whom do you say our ancestors were Elamites???!!! I am Bakhtiari Haftleng, my DNA test was completely Iranian, autosomal R1a-Z645 is found in Ukraine and all over Russia and Europe, what does it have to do with the Elamites???!! You are literally victims of propaganda

Khashayar Ravati

what tribe Answer me, I'm speechless 🙏🏼🙌

I am Aryan

What difference does it make, Mr. Khashayar, that he is from a tribe???!! God, it's strange for me, the important thing is that he says he considers himself Aryan and Bakhtiari. This clan is out of date.

I am Aryan

Dear friend, Elamite region also has haplogroup R1! Haplogroup has nothing to do with race. Race creates beliefs, values, ideals, and architecture, which is related to biology, genetics, and physical appearance.. For example, maybe I am 133 (۱/۳۳) I just want to be Arab and my 32 ancestors are of Iranian origin. The important thing is that I consider myself an Aryan and that's it

Maysam Karimi

I enjoyed it. Peace be upon you

Mahur Samavati

Dear brother and sister. Il Bakhtiari (Great Ler) They lived in the Zagros since before the Achaemenians, because it is one of the limited Persian languages ​​of Dari and the ancient language of Bakhtiari. For example, Ahura, Mehza Da(Ahura Mazada) Ahura means god of fog in Bakhtiari language means no, za from the root of the word birth and birth. Da means mother. Ahura fog za da means god not born from mother.…And these words are found only in Bakhtiari language, and also in the book of American historian George Ession…During the civilization of Akkad and Sumer, the people of Akkad and Sumer traded with the people who lived in the mountains of the Iranian plateau and learned from them the way of animal husbandry and agriculture. The point of the mountain is Zagar. And Zagros comes from the word Zagar, which means rising. Thanks to Mahor Samavati, writer, poet and historian from the Bakhtiari family living in Isfahan.

I am Aryan

Before the Achaemenians??!! Achaemenian is the name of a government and Bakhtiari is the name of a tribe…!! Please do not mix things up. If you mean that the Bakhtiaris were before the Aryans, you are very wrong! Because the 19th century theory of the migration of Aryans to Iran is nothing more than a lie, and according to 21st century science, Aryans were always present in Iran and were native to Iran, and if there was any migration, it was the Iranian Aryans who migrated to Europe and India.! Besides, the Bakhtiaris themselves have Aryan blood, and the Elamites were the same race as the Aryans.. We know absolutely nothing about history

Zahra

Yes, Mrs. Aylin Kashkuli, the rest of the Turks do not use these words except you
I can put it into words (narrow blade) Let's mention that both of them are used (Bill) In Turkish, it means waist
The Bolwardi Qashqai clan joined the Bakhtiaris

Wash

Bel + Barik Barik, which is characteristic means long, thin. In Lori Bakhtiari language, Bel has the meaning of a whale. For example, Gosh Wal is pronounced as Gosh Bel. Bel Barik is usually used for a thin creature and a whale, which often refers to skinny boys and boys. The mirror ears have a motor and it has nothing to do with the Qashqai Turkish language, and the Qashqais went from Lori to Qashqai, just as they lost their old clothes and customs, their language was also influenced by southwestern Iranian languages, including Tajik, Lori, and Bakhtiari, and many words They also absorbed the Turkish words on the contrary. They also gradually gave Iranian languages ​​and other dialects such as Yilaq Qeshlaq and….which is the same as Sardsir and Garmsir, of course, it is most likely that these Turkish words, other than the Qashqai language, came from other Turkish languages ​​or dialects, especially the courtiers of Turkish-speaking governments such as the Seljuks, Safavids, and Mongols, or were combined into the native Iranian languages. It means Iranian jagle + ler Turkish plural sign means boys or young boys of Lori Bakhtiari say Jagle Yal or Jagalgol, which is actually Jgalgol because it is one of the plural signs in Lori language. Lori language - Bakhtiari and Duse to other dialects such as Western Balochi and…It is used that the plural of herd is used to mean a group, group or a number, which gradually became used only for cattle, such as a flock of sheep, which means a group or a number of sheep, and ignorant is most likely the same as ignorant in the meaning of the It is used in the case of teenage boys and full of passion, which has gradually become a general term and has been used in the case of young men who are warriors and powerful, and sometimes even warriors and heroes. Ignorant or ignorant are closed with the Turkish plural sign, ler, which means jahellar

Eileen Kashkoli

or for example (The net):Bakhtiari and(ignorant):Qashqai gives both meanings of young
(Juggal):Bakhtiari and (Cobblestone):Qashqai gives both meanings of boys

Bakhtiari

What do you want to prove? You want to connect two completely separate families with two common words.…The Qashqais are Turks and we Bakhtiaris are from the original and ancient tribes of Iran..because you also ride horses or have musical instruments or wear black tents, we are the same.!

Eileen Kashkoli

Hello
Is it true that they say that Bakhtiaris and Qashqais are a little similar??
For example, if I am right?(Moshe's hair)which is a Bakhtiari sentence and (I'm sorry)which is a Qashqai sentence, the meaning of both of them can be beside me, and so is the word (gravel) Both Bakhtiari and Qashqai are in the word.
The Qashqais also had black tents, but the decoration and appearance of their tents were different. Like the Bakhtiaris, the Qashqais had many houses and bred many horses..
The clothes of Bakhtiari ladies, especially those of Kohgiluyeh and Boyer Ahmad, were very similar to our Qashqai clothes, even the Qashqais from Serena, Karna, and Negara.…..They used and like the men of the Bakhtiari tribe, the men of the Qashqai tribe had high horse riding and shooting skills.
You can even search the internet for the similarities between Bakhtiari and Qashqai.

Eileen Kashkoli

Newly, there are many Qashqai Bakhtiari, especially in rural areas such as Chaharmahal Bakhtiari, Kohgiluyeh Boyer Ahmad and Qashqai of Khuzestan.

Arash Tajmiri Zallghi

I am a Tajmiri, a Zalghi from Chaharlang, a Bakhtiari, a Ler, a Persian, an Aryan, an Elamite, a settler from Zagros, the defender of Iran and the land.
Aryans are descendants of Elamites
defined
One day, I swear to God, I will prove it myself
I identified up to 34 backs of my ancestors, which means no one in the world is like that
Find someone who knows his back 20
The last Jedi that I have goes back to the time of Al-Buyeh, that Al-Buyeh are from the Sassanians, that the Sassanians are Persians, that they are Aryans, that they are Elamites.
The Elamites, that is, my ancestors, have nothing to do with the Semitic people
Come, compare my appearance with a Russian or a Turk or a European
My face is green, my eyes are burnt brown so that you cannot identify my pupils, and I am tall and have brown hair, while some Bakhtiaris have brown or black hair. My father has black hair, but my mother is brown.
Considering that they are cousins
A Russian or European whose hair is usually blonde and white skin and usually short ( Go read that Europeans just got taller )
( This is to compare faces )
My face is completely similar to Haft Langha and so are they
In terms of language, our language is completely the same and does not change ( For those who say that Charlang and Heftlang are separate from each other )

Cyrus says in his inscription (I am blind )
We Bakhtiaris say who you are when we want to say ( Who is Hedi?)
We say in response ( Shadlam's hair)
( For those who say we are not Aryans )

We did not have any encounter with the Arabs to add or subtract a word
We always called him S
( For those who say that Lors are mixed with Arabic in their language )

There was a conflict between several Bakhtiari clans over Tajmir Khan Bakhtiari
Some people said that it is Asterki, some people said that it is Zalaghi
There were two Tajmirs, one of whom was my grandfather, who was Ilkhan, and one of the Asterkis, whose father came from Syria or the Levant region, and before Tajmir Zalqi, he was Ilkhan.
At the time of Shah Ismail, or the Shah after Shah Ismail, he was appointed to the Ilkhani of Eyil Bakhtiari, whose mother was from Gilan and his father was Syrian.
Sardar Asad said about this gentleman that he did not come from Syria, not for all Bakhtiaris
( This is for those who said that the Bakhtiaris are Syrians )
There is nothing wrong in my words unless you want to insult or find superiority over me Bakhtiari even though humans are of the same blood.
And our ancestor reaches one person
Now your ignorant war is over
But if you stick to the present, you will definitely grow more than the past

Abolfazl

how could you 34 Specify your back??

Arya Bakhtiari

Are Aryans Elamites????!!!! The Elamites (Elamo-Dravidian) They were not Iranian at all, they were more like Indian Indians. An ethnic group mostly associated with Australo-Melanesian Indian people (Australo-Melanesians) Most of them disappeared from the demographic point of view, how do you say that the Bakhtiari people are so beautiful to the Indians of the forests of Australia?????!!؟؟؟!؟؟!؟؟!!؟؟!؟!؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

Anax

Hello, I am a Bakhtiari family and I am very happy about it
And I really want to know
What tribe are the Boyars from?
And who are they?

Homan

Before the recent centuries, there is no historical record of the Bakhtiaris in the current region of their residence, and they were not in this region. No historical text has been found so far. In the early post-Sasanian centuries, the Bakhtiaris were in the western region of Iran. The biggest valid theory is that they are Syrians and that have Assyrian, Roman or Greek descent and came from Syria to the western region of Iran, there is no trace of the Bakhtiaris in the history of the region before the recent centuries. Assyrians, Greeks, and Romans have cultural commonalities with all these peoples, but they were not Bakhtiaris at the time of the Sassanians. .

فریبا

Well, you stole your history and transferred it to Fars province, go and read history. Persians first lived in Parsomash and Izeh, Bodenep, and Cyrus's father, Hamem Parsumas, and he himself was born in Izeh. Historical Khuzestan is seven thousand years older than your province. Badansandeh and Ashurbanipal's inscription is the first time that the name of the Pars people is mentioned in the Parsumash area . Baida used to be a part of Khuzestan, and all the cities of Fars province have ancient monuments, all of them are still standing and part of Khuzestan. . You are not a Persian, you only got a Persian name later because they used to call all the nomadic areas from Hamedan to Bushehr in Pars, your origin is Tahiki and Afghan, and Fars has nothing to do with Persians, go and fake the tazikh, you have already upset us with music and being a nomad. The Achaemenians and the Mafge of Cyrus, which you named Rosh's Tomb, is the custom of Lorra, please go read history and stop stealing history, Lorra, the whole of Zagros was in their hands, then you Tahiki and Afghan kid transferred their entire civilization to Fars. Persians are lers, the rest of Qashqais are Gypsies and Persians, who are not Parsebs, you are only driven by the illusion of the name Pars, the history and civilization of Iran is related to the brave and warrior men of Bakhtiari.. Secondly, only Sardar Asad's ancestors, who were the commanders and rulers of the areas under the control of Iran, had gone to Syria, and later they did not return to Iraq, Afghanistan, Bekhrin, Oman and many other countries went to Lezha as commanders and soldiers, and some did not return like the ancestors of Sardar Asad. And many still live there. All Persians are Indian Tajiks and Afghans

Wash

A few provinces of Larnesh, which were not devoid of population, the language and culture of the region prove that the ancient ancestors of some of these people lived here several thousand years before the Aryans, who later merged with the dominant Aryans. If the name Bakhtiari is not very old, there is no reason that the ancestors of this People didn't live here, so they had another name, just as there is no name for Tehran, Shiraz, Isfahan, or Tabriz in ancient times, that is, we can say that these cities were empty of people, there is no reason to say that they were empty of inhabitants. The people of ancient Iran, especially the Sassanid era, with this account, you want to count us as immigrants for biased political reasons, like the rest of the immigrant tribes of Iran, so that you don't consider us as owners and take all the resources into the possession of a particular ethnic group. What information does Bakhtiari Lor region give you?

Mamad

The Bakhtiaris are not Aryans at all, the Lors of Lorestan entered Iran from Iraq, and the Bakhtiaris were a small tribe that lived in Zagros before the arrival of the Aryans, and they continued to be nomads until the time of Reza Khan. Koresh was an Aryan and from the current Pars or Fars people. This can be read in the inscriptions of the Achaemenid period. Even most historians believe that the Bakhtiaris are the tribes that entered Iran with the invasion of Alexander, and because the Iranians told them that luck helped you when you won, they became known as Bakhtiaris..

Kamran Moulai

If there is a document, please mention the source, then if you pay attention, these were the Bakhtiaris who fought against Iskandar, I will tell you if you do more research, what would happen if the Bakhtiaris are genuine Iranians?

فریبا

Well, you stole your history and transferred it to Fars province, go and read history. Persians first lived in Parsomash and Izeh, Bodenep, and Cyrus's father, Hamem Parsumas, and he himself was born in Izeh. Historical Khuzestan is seven thousand years older than your province. Badansandeh and Ashurbanipal's inscription is the first time that the name of the Pars people is mentioned in the Parsumash area . Baida used to be a part of Khuzestan, and all the cities of Fars province have ancient monuments, all of them are still standing and part of Khuzestan. . You are not a Persian, you only got a Persian name later because they used to call all the nomadic areas from Hamedan to Bushehr in Pars, your origin is Tahiki and Afghan, and Fars has nothing to do with Persians, go and fake the tazikh, you have already upset us with music and being a nomad. The Achaemenians and the Mafge of Cyrus, which you named Rosh's Tomb, is the custom of Lorra, please go read history and stop stealing history, Lorra, the whole of Zagros was in their hands, then you Tahiki and Afghan kid transferred their entire civilization to Fars. Persians are lers, the rest of Qashqais are Gypsies and Persians, who are not Parsebs, you are only driven by the illusion of the name Pars, the history and civilization of Iran is related to the brave and warrior men of Bakhtiari.. Secondly, only Sardar Asad's ancestors, who were the commanders and rulers of the areas under the control of Iran, had gone to Syria, and later they did not return to Iraq, Afghanistan, Bekhrin, Oman and many other countries went to Lezha as commanders and soldiers, and some did not return like the ancestors of Sardar Asad. And many still live there. All Persians are Indian Tajiks and Afghans

Wash

Really, anyone who considers Bakhtiaris and Lors to be immigrants is either biased or ignorant and illiterate

Shayan

Hello, don't get tired, I know myself as Ler Bahmai who ate until seven or eight decades ago. Now why the Bakhtiaris did not have a name for them three hundred years ago, why did you not know yourselves four hundred years ago, according to the same Sardar Asaad Bakhtiari that the Bakhtiari people from the poems of Mazandaran Being Gilan and this point during the Safavid era was the war of the Safavid king, who was losing, and some people came to work and help the Safavid king and said, "Today is my friend's luck, and that's when he got his footing. By God, Bakhtiari is not Ler, he does not have any kind of race. Like the Kurds of Zanganeh, who are the branches of Bakhtiari, where is this Ler, who said that there is a Ler, you are not a Ler race at all, who are you going to believe, Dad made Iran a Kurd, there is no doubt about it, accept the Kurds, Ler are blood brothers, now the city of Kurds was built by the Kurds themselves. And you don't know about the rest and parts of Iran. When you were born, you also claim authenticity. Anyone who visits a website will publish a false book and say that this is our authenticity. Once I realized that the Bakhtiari people are a lie, saying that Tehran was conquered by Bakhtiari at that time. that the Bakhtiaris are on their way to leave and conquer Tehran, and they say, ``We smell.'' In short, in the end, nothing is yours

Kamran Moulai

Do some research, my dear friend, I am Lor Bakhtiari, if you have a little study, the blood ratio of us Lors is different from that of the Kurds.

Avalanche

Leave it in your account, you will not understand

فریبا

Well, you stole your history and transferred it to Fars province, go and read history. Persians first lived in Parsomash and Izeh, Bodenep, and Cyrus's father, Hamem Parsumas, and he himself was born in Izeh. Historical Khuzestan is seven thousand years older than your province. Badansandeh and Ashurbanipal's inscription is the first time that the name of the Pars people is mentioned in the Parsumash area . Baida used to be a part of Khuzestan, and all the cities of Fars province have ancient monuments, all of them are still standing and part of Khuzestan. . You are not a Persian, you only got a Persian name later because they used to call all the nomadic areas from Hamedan to Bushehr in Pars, your origin is Tahiki and Afghan, and Fars has nothing to do with Persians, go and fake the tazikh, you have already upset us with music and being a nomad. The Achaemenians and the Mafge of Cyrus, which you named Rosh's Tomb, is the custom of Lorra, please go read history and stop stealing history, Lorra, the whole of Zagros was in their hands, then you Tahiki and Afghan kid transferred their entire civilization to Fars. Persians are lers, the rest of Qashqais are Gypsies and Persians, who are not Parsebs, you are only driven by the illusion of the name Pars, the history and civilization of Iran is related to the brave and warrior men of Bakhtiari.. Secondly, only Sardar Asad's ancestors, who were the commanders and rulers of the areas under the control of Iran, had gone to Syria, and later they did not return to Iraq, Afghanistan, Bekhrin, Oman and many other countries went to Lezha as commanders and soldiers, and some did not return like the ancestors of Sardar Asad. And many still live there. All Persians are Indian Tajiks and Afghans

Great shirani

Sir, I don't think you should study history, you go to a doctor for now, then I will tell you when to study, you are not even in Bahamian, tell me which city so that I can come and see if they accept you as a teacher there or not? !When they say that one can tell from the way he speaks, whether he is innocent or not, this is a sign of good-naturedness and innocence.

سعید

,Rooting and dreaming are miles away from reality

سعید

The only historical document that Arha are immigrants from Syria. Hamdaleh Mostofi refers to the migration of tribes from the areas of Jabal al-Samaq (Current Syrian Kurdistan) It reduces to large and small areas: Hamdaleh Mostofi in 730 AH. A., mentions the people of Lirawi, Jaki, Mamsani and Bakhtiari, who along with twenty-five other tribes and some Arab tribes such as Aghili and Hashemi migrated from Syrian Kurdistan to the areas of Mount Giloye and Bakhtiari and present-day Lorestan..

Wash

Hamdullah Mostofi made a big mistake with his historical whistle, these clans have Iranian names and they went with the help of Saladin Ayyubi when they returned to their homeland. Bakhtiari language is the oldest form of Persian language and it should be said that it is an Iranian language, so how did they come from Syria?? This is a biased and political point of view, those who falsify verses and hadiths, falsify selected history, and thank God Mostofi, which is an easy task, this is in retaliation for the ancient friendship of the Bakhtiaris. By the way, the Adian site and several other sites are purposefully destroying the Achaemenidians, the Bakhtiaris, and ancient Iran. How many years?

Mohsen

This is how you distorted our people, so the land and kingdom of Elam did not exist, dear friend.

Hossein Rozbeh

With greetings and thanks to the compiler of this text, I must say that the name of Shahrekord was not due to the presence of Kurds in that area, but because of the mountainous location of a military fortress for army training.(the kidney) It was established that in the local dialect of Bakhtiari(Dzigurd)It was named later due to the establishment of a village in that place (Of course)And then because of ease in pronunciation to (Of course) And after many years due to growing up, increasing population and becoming a city (Shahr e Kord) Changed the name

son of Cyrus

Greetings, I inform you that the Kurds are from the race of the Medes, and the Bakhtiaris are from the Persians, and the Maznis and Khorasanis are also from Parthia.

بابک

The history of a dynasty or a person is not separate from the history of a city or a nation and region, and the history of a nation and region without understanding the history of the nation to which that nation belongs is meaningless and absurd, which includes the events of Lorestan.. What we have ahead of us is a brief look at the nomenclature and the concept of the word ler. Ancient evidence indicates that Lorestan has been the home of people who are said to be of a race known as Asiatic since ancient times, which are estimated to be around 40,000 to 80,000 years ago. ( Non-Aryan and non-Semitic ) have been.

Diakoneff in the book of Madan History, page 88, and Roman Girshman in the book of History of Iran after Islam, page 54 wrote that:The Lors are from the ancient descendants of Lorestan, and their racial origin is attributed to the Lolubi, Goti, Kasi and Elamites, who were the original inhabitants of the Iranian plateau..

Baron Dobed, Russian geographer, archaeologist, deputy of the Russian Embassy, ​​and famous traveler writes in the book Travels of Lorestan and Khuzestan, page 270:According to the words of the advanced writers, apparently from the farthest place in the history of the world, these mountains of Lorestan have been the seat of a race of mysterious and warrior people who fought against the authority of the Medes and Persians and defeated Alexander the Great and later Antigonus in the western borders with The fortresses and unexpected obstacles and fierce enmity of this mountain people have been encountered.

Minorski writes in the Lorestan treatise book, page 20:Since the areas of Lorna were located on the roads that connected the important centers of the Iranian empire in ancient times, Lorra played a very important role..

Jacques Demorgan writes in the book Geography of Western Iran, page 216:Favorable geographical conditions, fertile soil, and rivers full of water were the factors that gave Lorestan the possibility to become the cradle and cradle of one of the most brilliant and ancient centers of Iranian culture and civilization, a civilization that later achieved its achievements in the most beautiful way. It should be presented to human society in the form of masterpieces of Elamite and Kasi people . The works of cities, roads, bridges, forts and villages in this area are all proof of this claim and a reminder of the times when this part of Iran was the cradle of civilization and culture..

Basically, the study of the history, culture and civilization of the mentioned areas reveals the fact that this area enjoyed more and higher prosperity and glory in the pre-Islamic era than in the Islamic era, as the French Jacques Demorgan writes in this context.:In ancient times and until the Middle Ages, these mountains of Lorestan were much more civilized than they are now.

History of life
The history of life on this land goes back to the Stone Age, and due to the mountainous conditions and caves, as a safe haven from natural disasters and beasts, life in this area has been estimated to date back to the Paleolithic era.. Despite the works with more than fifty thousand years of history, including the works in the shallow cave “Qalann Bohr” ( yolennbor ) in the strait of Lehor ( Lahore ) between Chegani and Amiran Kushki region and based on other discoveries in other inhabited and carved caves such as:Doshe Chegani carved cave - Mir Melas cave - Humian cave - Pa Sangar cave - Qamari - Kenji ( horses ) _Arjneh Cave_ The ancient cave of Kalmakre and the cave found, which according to the excavations of the American Professor Frank Hall in 1962, belong to the prehistoric period and greatly increase the age of settlement and civilization in this land and show that before the arrival of the Aryans, this The region had residents, artists, artisans and intelligent people who lived in this region in full strength and peace. Great Lorestan, as one of the oldest centers of Iranian civilization, has played a great role in the formation of Iranian culture and civilization in ancient times..

Formation of the government of Simash ( Middle Elam from 2225 BC to 745 BC ) , in the region and the role of the residents of Lorestan in the golden age of Elam civilization, is a proof of their great contribution to the culture and civilization of Iran..

The word ler in pre-Islamic times
According to the researches of archaeologists, Lorestan has been one of the oldest human habitats. Some researchers about “The concept of the word ler” They have started their research work from the middle and it is not reasonable for us to ignore long periods of our history . Examining documents and historical evidence shows that the word “Lor” For the first time during the Tokoleti attack - Ninurta I ( 1207-1243 BC ) The king of Assyria appears in history. In the inscriptions left by this Assyrian king, it is stated that after establishing his position of supremacy over Babylon, he galloped to the other side of the upper Zab, where the lands of Gotium, Lolobium and Leler, that is, parts of Zagros, which were the fringes of the influence of the Elam state, and they has taken over. An interesting point is that in the north of Khuzestan, north of the Shahid Abbaspur Dam, next to Mount Manar, there is a village called Leler, all of which are called Leler, and the surrounding villages and towns are all named after “Lor” combined like:Leller _ Lirok _ Leshtar _ Saliran _ Silaver _ Iler _ Lorela _ Dehler _ Ilred _ Lali and... all of which have the letters Lam and R in their composition and in the historical and biological geography of Lorestan, we see the names of cities and villages such as:Deh Leran _ Lordegan _ Lomar _ Lerini _ Tell Lalar and Lart in the valley of Shahr _ Larestan _ Lark _ Larim _ Lamard _ Laver _ Leroa _ Lorde _ Lorab _ Loran _ Lirab and... all of them, like other names, undergo changes throughout history. And it has evolved. Sir Percy Sykes says in the book History of Iran, volume one, page 62:The first people of Khuzestan were the Elamites who lived in the plateau of Iran since the 4th millennium BC and took advantage of the gradual drying of the plains of Khuzestan, migrated from the heights and mountains of Lorestan and settled in the vast plain of Khuzestan.

Dr. Mohammad Baqer and Tawqi writes in the Persian Gulf History book, page 3:The Persian Gulf was larger in the beginning and until the end of the third geological period, the entire Khuzestan, Behbahan, Barazjan and Bushehr plains were under water, and with the passage of thousands of years and the sediments of the Tigris, Euphrates and Arvand rivers, the amount of land was increased and the water in the northern parts retreats. The word Elam itself means mountain, and the ancient Elamites first lived in the northern mountains of Khuzestan ( Lorestan ) and after the water receded, they flowed to the plain. The state of Elam was formed mainly in the territory of present-day Khuzestan, but its borders were in the south as far as Lian ( Bushehr ) in the east to the burnt city of Zabul, in the west to Mesopotamia, in the north to Khorram Abad ( Khaidalu ) have been. So definitely the land “Llor” It is what is called Lorestan today.

The land of Lulobium is the place where the Lulobi people used to live, and today it is called Kermanshah province.

Dr. Shirin Bayani writes in the book History of Ancient Iran, volume 2, page 15:Lulobis had occupied from the upper part of Diyala River to Kermanshah. The center of their gathering and government was in Shahr Zor valley near Sulaymaniyah. The government of Urartu, who were by Lake Urmia, considered the Lolobis as their enemy and called them Lolo, which means foreigners, and they were also known by this name.. Dr. Shirin Bayani writes in the same book on page 16:Lulobis were of Asian race and were related to Elamites. The Goths were also in the north and east of Lulobis. Dr. Farrokh Malekzadeh ( PhD in archaeology ) در مقاله بررسی تاریخ و هنر Gutian and Lulubian ( Art History Magazine, number 6, third year ) It says on page 56:In the third millennium BC in the western and southwestern regions of Iran, from north to south, Goths, Lulobis, Kassites, and Elamites lived.. The Louloubi tribes were racially related to the Elamites, and in the Hurrian language, Lulu means foreign enemy.. The Goths lived in the east, north and northwest of Lulobyan and probably in present-day Azerbaijan and Kurdistan ( History of Madh, page 138 ) . The Gotians had an independent language that was somewhat related to the languages ​​of the Elamian, Lulobian, and Cassian groups who lived in Zagros..

Dr. Farrokh Malekzadeh writes in the same article on page 57:The Elamites, who lived from around Khorramabad to the shores of the Persian Gulf, lived together with Lulobians and Gutians before coming to Iran.. Lulobians were called eastern mountain dwellers. Goths, Lulobis, Cassis, and Elamites, before the arrival of the Aryans in the Iranian plateau, in the Iranian plateau ( Mainly in the Zagros mountain range ) They were indigenous. Some consider them to be Asian and others consider them to be Caucasian.

The second time this word ( Llor ) In the historical sources of the Near East, related to the inscriptions of Shalmensar III ( 824-858 BC ) He is the king of Assyria. In the inscriptions of this Assyrian king, the plan of his attack on the land of Medes is explained in detail. In this map of Mt “Kolar” named, which separates the two regions of internal and external Zamova, and the upper valley of Khushkiyeh was adjacent to this mountain range.. The element Lar in the local language apparently means “Mountain” and kevlar ( hills ) Apparently, it is still preserved in the name of one of the Zagros peaks, Kevlar Dag. Today, the Zamova region is a part of East Azarbaijan province. This leads to finding the main land ( Llor ) A wide geography should be examined. For example, the name of one of the four Bakhtiari districts is known by this name, and also the name of a city in Fars province refers to a land, and the boundaries of the current Fars province are still Lar. ( Larestan ) It is called . But whatever is the land ( Llor ) Or ( way ) It is located in central Zagros and has been extended to Lorestan.

It is also mentioned in Mad Diakoneff's book of history that the language of Lulubi, Goti, Kasi and Elamite peoples was called Lar, and it is possible that the term ( Lor ) were used for the first time by these neighboring countries, and later when Kasi and Elamite rule over Lorestan, this word became popular..

The third time this word is recorded in history is related to Shamshi - Adad - V attack ( 811-823 BC ) He is the king of Assyria. In one of the inscriptions of this king under the title “Kolar” Come.

The fourth time that this word is recorded in history is related to the inscriptions of Tepati - Humban - Inshushinak ( 653-664 BC ) is. In one of the inscriptions of this Elamite king, he mentioned great victories over the wicked land and the people of Lalarip.. The meaning of the wicked land in the inscriptions of this Elamite king is their land, which the Persian people dominated at that time and their ruler at that time was Chish Pesh. ( 646-675 BC ) He was the second ruler of the Achaemenid dynasty.

Lalarip people also lived in the north of ancient Elam. It is possible that the word ( Lor ) The derivation form is the same word as Lalarip, but why in the inscriptions of the Assyrian kings this word is in the form ( Llor ) Or ( lalar ) recorded and read, but in the inscriptions of the kings of ancient Elam, it is recorded and read as Lalarip, it should be said that the suffix ( Yep ) It is one of the suffixes that was specific to the Elamite language, and the next Lalarip - Lalar - Lalar - Lalar is the current land of Lorestan, which has kept its name despite the passage of millennia..

From the analysis of these historical data, it can be said that this word “Lor” It is an ancient word, it is mentioned in Assyrian and Elamite inscriptions and annals, and this term is definitely not created by the Assyrians and Elamites, but it has been applied to this region since the distant past, and maybe it is the name of a racial group of native people. It has been that their primary patron was this region or it was the name of the special god of the people of the region. According to Diakonoff, the word Leller or Ler means mountainous land. He says the same in another place:LAR element in local language means mountain. By local language, he means the languages ​​of the old inhabitants of the Zagros mountains. Because Lulobians called the mountainous areas LAR. These few phenomena clearly show the linguistic commonality of the ancient inhabitants of the Zagros mountain range, i.e. Gotians, Lulobians, Kasians and Elamians.. On the other hand, it says that this naming was done by other nations and tribes, not the inhabitants of old Lorestan. So, the people who have gathered in this historical point in very ancient times, which may not even be imagined in their minds, were called by their neighbors, after their location, which was a mountainous region. ( Lor ) have called.

Hossein Biranvand writes in the book Lorestan in ancient times, page 27:During the Simashki dynasties, political relations between the kings of the Simashki dynasty in Lorestan and the kings ( Lars ) Among the cities of Sumer, especially during the reign of the Gongonum kingdom, these relations were sometimes hostile and sometimes friendly, especially that during the time of the kings of the second Simashki dynasty, they were subordinate to the kings for a while. ( Lars ) have been. So ; It is also possible that the word ( Lor ) A survivor and a relic of the word “Lars” be .

In the book of geography of Lorestan province ( 11th grade ) Chapter 4, page 73 states that:Some experts of the word “Lor” It is taken from the word "L Ora". ( The hour ) " they know.

Saeed Shadabi writes in the book Culture of Lorestan People, page 17:Lor ( Lor ) In French it means culture and in English ( Lore ) It means science, knowledge and knowledge that in the distant past gave the name of English scientists and scholars ( Lord ) which was a title for nobles , They knew and little by little the government of English men and officials took this title from the scientists and appropriated it to themselves. Learn German ( Lorn )It means learning and learning in Farsi language ( In addition to Lam ) It means ``com'', ``murad,'' and it is also said as the name of one of the great tribes of Iran.

And what is a higher desire than acquiring science, knowledge and culture? And as long as there is no relationship between this word and its meaning in different languages. As a result, considering more than sixty centuries of history, art and civilization of Lorestan residents, ( Lor ) Whatever it is, it means culture, knowledge and art, and there is no doubt about this.

The word ler in the Islamic era
In the Islamic period, the name of this land and the people living in it in the historical and geographical sources of the third and fourth centuries of Hijri came in the form of Lor - Al-Lourieh - Loret - Lor - Larieh - Balad Al-Loor and.... And it was from this date that we see the word Ler in the writings of historians and geographers .

Abul Hasan Ali bin Hossein Masoudi mentions the clans of Lariya in Al-Tanbiyyah Walashraf, pages 84 and 85..

Ibn Hawqal in his book Surah al-Arz, page 29, this word as “daughter” has brought and explains that:Lor is a city that is naturally blessed with mountain air. It is possible that Ibn Hawqal means Lor, the ancient city of Lor, whose ruins are located in the north of Dezful today. Lor was an ancient city related to the Simashki dynasty of Elam, 4 thousand years ago, as evidenced by George Cameron in the book “A land that is not far away” Lor was a city between Simshak in Lorestan and Avan in Khuzestan that Ibn Battuta wrote in his travelogue. ( Translated by Dr. Mohammad Ali Mohad, 6th edition, 1376 ) The first volume, page 240 talks about the hospitality of Atabakan Lor and the prosperity of the city of Lor and the land of Lorestan..

The historical city of Lor was inhabited until the Middle Ages and now its ruins, which are two hundred hectares, are near Andimeshk..

Hasan Jalali Azizian writes on page 25 of Andimeshk encyclopedia:According to historians and history researchers, the city of Lor was two miles away from Dezful and its place should be found near Andimeshk and in the plain of Lor ( Located in the northeast of the city ) It remains in its name, and the historians of the 3rd to 7th centuries have mentioned the distance from the city of Lor to Shapurkhashat as about 30 farsangs..

Rawlinson says in his travelogue:near Saleh Abad ( Andimeshk ) Several small hills and ruins can be seen, which are probably the remnants of the city ( daughter ) or ( lore ) Are.

In addition to these sayings, Ashtari writes in the fourth century of Hijri in the book Masalak wa Al-Mamalek, pages 89 and 93.:Lor is the city of Abadan, and the mountain air on it is mostly Khuzestan, now they are among the mountains, they have moved to the northern parts and the new place of residence is called Lorestan after their name. South of Lorestan and 10 kilometers north of Andimeshk is a place known as Lore, which is the same place that Istakhari considers as the northern limit of Khuzestan and writes in Masalak and Al-Mamalek, page 93.:Its northern limit is Simreh, Karkheh and Lor until it joins with the mountains.

And this guess may be correct .

Imam Shushtri writes on page 208 of the book "History and Geography of Khuzestan".:It is possible that the word Lor is an abbreviation of Lor, and it is a city in the north of Dezful, and due to the centrality of that city in relation to those areas, the name of the city has spread to the surrounding tribes, and gradually it has been said about the development of the use to all the mountain dwellers of these areas..

Shamsuddin Moghdisi in the book ( The best divisions in knowing the regions ) , the second volume, translated by Ali Naghi Manzouri, page 611:Lor is in the center of the mountains, they say it was from Jabal May, then it was added to Khuzestan, it has many weaving workshops. .

In the 7th century AH ( 13th AD ) Yaqut Hamavi in ​​Majam al-Baldan, although he talks about lers, he used the word Akrad, as he says:Akrads are tribes that live in the mountains between Khuzestan and Isfahan, and the place of these tribes is called Balad Ellor or Lorestan.!!!

Masoudi is also in the book Al-Tanbiyyah Walashraf on page 85 ( Lors ) He calls them a group of Akrads of Fars and says that they are in the territory of Fars, Kerman, Sistan, Khorasan, Isfahan and Jabal.!!!

Are these mentioned points really from the Kurdish race???

Tabari, the historian of the 3rd and 4th centuries of Hijri, in the events of 23rd to 29th Hijri, page 5, called all the people of Zagros mountain Kurdish.!!!

Why do most historians of the 3rd and 4th centuries call them a group of Akrads, even though they mention Ler?

In the early Islamic centuries, the word Kurd had a general application for all shepherds, desert wanderers, campers and mountaineers of the Zagros mountains.. Therefore, rather than paying attention to the criteria of identity and ethnicity in the use of this word, the similarities in livelihood were considered.. Therefore, the use of Kurdish words for Lers is subject to this idea and attitude. In other words, those Iranians who lived in the desert and on the slopes of the mountains and raised sheep and cattle and were shepherds - lived as nomads, regardless of their ethnic and racial nature, were called Kurds, as In Yaqoubi's history, page 50, it is mentioned that the position of Kurds in the mountains between Isfahan and Ahvaz is mentioned!!! Or Ashtari in the book Masalak and Mamalek on page 97, while listing the tribes and tribes of Fars, described them as Kurds, which means desert herders..

Ishkari has used the word Kurdish to describe a type of livelihood, the most important distinguishing feature of which is the emphasis on herding and moving in search of pastures..

Based on this, it can be concluded that the geographers and historians of the early Islamic centuries referred to the desert and semi-desert people with the general title of Akrad, and they did not necessarily mean Kurdish people, but they called all camp dwellers and all non-Turk herdsmen as such..

Some researchers and historians like:Dr. Saeed Nafisi in the book Social and Political History of Iran in the Contemporary Period, Volume I, page 10 _ Mrs. Dr. Ann Lambton in the books of Siri in the History of Iran after Islam and the book History of Middle Iran _ Professor Richard Fry in the book Golden Age of Iranian Culture page 27 _ Dr. Ali Akbar Nik Khalq in the book Sociology of Nomads of Iran page 20 _ Dr. Parviz Khanleri _ Dr. Martin Van Bruinsen _ Professor Vladimir Ivanov _ Professor David Mackenzie _ Dr. Asaturian and... have deduced that Kurdish in the early Islamic centuries had an ethnic and racial meaning It has not been, but it has been a way of earning livelihood.

Zinda Yad Ali Mohammad Saki also writes in the book "Historical Geography of Lorestan" on page 41 in criticizing the theory of the Kurds of Lorestan.:But with all these writings, it must be said that most of them made a mistake and the source of their error was the Kurdish language, and that's it, what did they think when the writers of the early centuries mentioned all the desert dwellers as Kurds, it was because of their same race. While such an opinion is unnecessary and their meaning of the word Kurds, people of the desert, regardless of race, and referring to the culture of Rashidi, who writes in front of the word Ler:It is a well-known and desert-dwelling tribe, and Mohammad Hossein Khalaf Tabrizi's decisive proof says it under the entry of Ler:A tribe of desert dwellers shows well that the name Kurd used to refer to all the desert dwellers, and because the Alwars also had a desert-dwelling and pastoral character, they were mentioned under the name of Kurds..

Written by Yaqut Hamavi in ​​Al-Baldan Encyclopaedia:Daughter, daughter-in-law ( State ) It is between Khuzestan, Isfahan and Mawdudeh in Khuzestan.

Moin al-Din Natanzi in the book "Selected Al-Tawarikh", pages 35 to 53, whose contents are very similar to the Sharafnameh Badlisi book. ( Page 23 ) is saying that:Historians in what the name of this clan to “Lor” It was called that they have said many things:One who goes in the province ( or Manrod ) It is called "grit" and it has a cover which is called "loth". “Lor” ( In addition to Lam ) They say, because his origin is from that place, the name of that place has become his nickname.

And the other side is that their ancestor was Lar, just as the people of Fars branched from Fars bin Mahluj, the people of Khorasan from Khorasan bin Mahluj, and the people of Russia branched from Rous bin Kumari Ibn Turk Ibn Yafeth, and until today they call him by the name of their father, and Leran is also called by the name They have called Jed.

In the book Zubadah al-Tawarikh by Seyyed Jamaluddin Kashani, page 538 and in the book of Habib al-Sir Khand Mir, volume 3, page 325, it is stated that:The province of Lorestan is divided into Lar Bozor and Lor Koch, and it is mentioned that Lor Bozor and Lor Koch are due to two brothers who died near the year of Talasmaa. ( 300 Hijri ) Badr was the elder brother of the ruler of the great Ler and Mansour was the ruler of the small Ler. Large lor included:Chaharmahal Bakhtiari, Kohgiluyeh, Boyer Ahmed, Mamsani and parts of Khuzestan and Isfahan, and Bushehr, whose center is Izeh. ( Amir's ) have been. And small ler included:Lorestan and Ilam, south of Hamedano and parts of Iraq and north of Khuzestan, which was centered on Khorramabad..

But about the denomination ” Lor ” Historians have narrated various narrations, among which Hamdullah Mostofi writes in the 7th century of the Hijri in the book Tarikh Ghazideh, page 535.:In Zebedeh al-Tawarikh ( Seyed Jamaluddin Kashani ) It has been said that this name belongs to that people in the way that they say that it is in Manrud Dehi, that they call it Kurdish, and there is a limitation that they call it in the language of Lori Kol, and in that paragraph there is a position that it is called Lori. ( Lor ) they read, because their origin arose from that position, that is their reason ” Lor ” they said.

The second aspect is that in the language of Lori, the mountain is full of trees ( Ler ) It is said that because of the weight of the fraction, the fraction has been converted into a suffix and it is called lor. ( Lor ) they said.

The third aspect is that the person who is a descendant of this clan is from Ovind Ler ( Lor ) It has a name and the first promise is more correct.

Badlisi also mentions Hamdullah Mostofi's first quote in his honor book on page 44 of his book and accepts it..

Mohammad Sohrabi in the book “Lorestan and the history of Kassite people” He writes on page 59:This date text is generally selected for the word ( Lor ) There are two origins of the doer, one is geographical and natural, and the other is ethnic and clan origin. Dual geographic factors(a place ) and tribe have played an important and decisive role in determining the names of the tribes and clans living in the plateau of Iran throughout history, and most of the names of the tribes and groups are attributed to one of these two principles.. People may enter a place for the first time and choose a name for their tribe from the name of the new place, or others may call them by the name of that place due to living in that place.. On the other hand, it has sometimes happened throughout history that when new people enter a new place, they put their ethnic and tribal name on their new place of residence.. This second case has happened more often.

As we have seen, when the Aryan tribes entered the new land, they called it Iran. It is likely that the word "Lor" is also an ethnic and tribal name, and perhaps its history is related to the arrival of Aryan tribes to the plateau of Iran and the land of Lorestan, and perhaps this ancient word was a remnant of the Kasian period in Lorestan. . Most likely the word ( Lor ) It had a wide meaning, one of its meanings was a mountain full of trees or a mountain, as stated in Mad Diakonoff's history on page 477.:The term Ler ( Its open L Lar ) It means a mountain, which can almost certainly be said to be Lulobi.

Also the word Ler( to Fateh Lam (Lar in the Lori language means a thin person or animal. And Lera ( to Kasre Lam (Lera means shivering of a person or an animal from cold or fear and excitement . The word "Lir" in the Lori language means a kind of primitive house and housing in ancient times, which is now abandoned.. Also, Lir is a place located in Jundishapur district of Khuzestan, and Lirawi is a place in Kohgiluyeh and Boyar Ahmad districts..

Professor Vladimir Minorsky writes in his treatise Lorestan and Lereha, page 19:Excerpted history attributes the name Lorar to a place called Lor located in the Manrud pass. Perhaps the reason for attributing Lors to this place is related to the memory of the city of Ellor, which Arab geographers have talked about, and today the name of the Lor desert, located in the north of Dezful, is still alive..

There are several other places whose names are similar “daughter” It is one of them “Lear” A place located in Jundishapur and Lirawi district located in Kohgiluyeh ( See page 666 of Persien by Schwartz(Shcwarz .

The word lire may be the same word as lor, as in the language of Lori, money becomes peal. Also Yaqut Hamavi from a place called Lordjan ( lords ) is named. According to Estakhri Lordegan, the capital of Sardan district is Sardon, which is located between Kohgiluyeh and Bakhtiari, and finally, in Simera, there is a place called Loret or Loret..

These facts show the development stages of the geographical term of Lorestan, which may have been related to the period before the arrival of Iranians in this region, which eventually led to an ethnic group.. On the other hand, if we want the term ( Lor ) It can be considered a derivative of Iranian words “Lor” derived from ( Lahrasb ) Is ( This theory was previously proposed by De Bode).

Ferdinand Yosti in his book ( Iranishes Nomenbuch ) The word states “Lor” can be attributed as Rudhra which means red, perhaps the place that the ruby ​​is called Rur is derived from the same Rudhra.

Alikli Khan Bakhtiari ( Sardar Asad ) In the Bakhtiari History book ( Tehran:Yesavali Publications, 1363 ) writes on page 19 and 59:Lor ( Embrace and tighten ) It is the name of a mountain from the mountains of Khuzestan and Isfahan.

Conclusion

According to the investigation and analysis of the historical background of the emergence of the Ler people and the application of the word Ler to them, it is possible to categorize the name mentioned in the sources and sources of history as follows.:

a thousand ) The word ler is derived from original Iranian words such as lahrasab

B ) Ler was the name of a person from whom the Lers are descended

c ) According to the narrative of the third category, Ler was the name of the place where the Lers lived, which in turn has several meanings.:

۱ ) It was a locality in Manroud or Mayroud province ( Madian Rood ) which was the original seat of the descendants of the Lors.

۲ ) The word Ler is an abbreviation ( lore ) It is also the name of a city in the northwest of Dezful, near Andimeshk .

۳ ) Some have distorted the word "Ler" as "Lir" or "Ler". ( to Lam's fraction ) That is, they know the mountains covered with forest.

But some authors including:Lestrange in the history of the Eastern Caliphate - Rawlinson in his travelogue of Lorestan - Imam Shushtri in the history and geography of Khuzestan - Hasan Jalali Azizian, the author of the Andimeshk encyclopedia and many historians and geographers have recorded the words Lor and Lorestan as Lor and Lorestan and believe are derived from the name of the ancient city of Lor near Andimeshk.

بابک

Bakhtiaris and Lors are not Aryans. They are Elamites and a combination of Semitic and Turkic. Peace be upon you

Aria

Excuse me, just now a Turk claimed on Instagram that the Bakhtiaris are Turks. Is this true??

Eileen Kashkoli

Where are you from Turkey?!
God forbid it is not southern:(
I also like Bakhtiaris
And Bakhtiari may be neighbors with Turks in Isfahan, Chaharmahal and Bakhtiari provinces, a part of the Turkic settlement of Khuzestan, but there are not many Turks anymore.:(

Alireza

Distortion of history ! I read nothing but nonsense, the Bakhtiari people have nothing to do with the Parthians and have roots and descent from Persia, and it is wrong to consider the Bakhtiari as a people, because there are different cultural characteristics between the two, and they should not be considered the same people just because of their neighboring places of residence.

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Parthva(part)Pars and Parsush are all of the same origin and they kept the sternum bone of Iran like the rib bones of the chest, which was the sternum bone of the Median government. Pars in Sanskrit means side and border as well as chest bone. According to The new research of Parsava Lake Urmia had nothing to do with the Persians, and the Assyrians called the people of their borders Parsava, based on the meaning of the word Pars, and at the same time that the Assyrians called their borders Parsava, the Persians had formed a government in the south of Iran, and there was no such thing. that they came from Lake Urmia, and basically the direction of the movement of the Persians was from the east of Iran to Sistan and then to Pars, and in Mamsani in the northwest of Pars, the first Persian clans, such as the Mardas, the Patish, the Howarish, the Makunds, the Kirts and…They settled and formed the first government in the Mamseni geography of Fars until the tomb of Chish and Koresh I is located in Rostam Mamseni block.(Karmania) and among these clans were the famous Marafians whose names are mentioned in many clay tablets and it seems that they migrated from today's Persepolis to the east of Persia and the word Ler itself means rough and tree-filled lands. Persian nomads, especially the Marafion, were said to have migrated in the slopes, and it was a word specific to Persian nomads and was not the name of any particular ethnicity, but in the fourth century, this word was used to name people who were based on the geography of Persia.(Memsani, Kohgiluyeh and today's Chahar Mahal Bakhtiari) and the great Mad(Lorestan and its functions) to Kermanshah(Carmancia) It was a word used to separate the Persian clans from the non-Persian tribes of Zagros. That is, the word Ler itself was for herdsmen, like the Kurdish word, but Persian herdsmen were called especially Marafion. Another case that some users still point to is Parsumash. It was thought that it was in the present-day Suleiman Mosque, and with new research, it has been determined that Parsumash is the same as Pars, and its geography is the same as Mamseni in the northwest of Fars. In the west of Iran, in Kermanshah, there was a region called Parsoosh, which is a continuation of Parshwa.(part) And it was Pars, which is still debated. The geography of the birthplace of Achaemenid and Sassanid was in Memsani, northwest of Fars, until this area was called the small and central satrapy of Pars, and historians such as Girshman considered this geography to be the land of the first Persian clans, and the tomb of Chish Pish and Girshman has also done a lot of research on Koresh I. The 6 areas of Rah Shahi, which were obtained from the clay tablets, were like this.:
District 1. Parse Shahr(Persepolis) District 2. Shiras(inside the milk) It is not clear whether this Shiraz was the present-day Shiraz or the old Shiraz in the Mamsani Block. Given that the modern Shiraz near Mamsani was a plain at the time of the Arab invasion, and after the prosperity of the Mamsani Block, many of the Nobungadhan Mamseni went to the present-day Shirazi Plain. That region is slowly expanding and the local government of Shiraz, from which many clans of Mamasen clans(thank you) They suffered from forced and voluntary migrations, the famous area of ​​Mamsani shooters, which included Shahan Javid plain behind Speed ​​Fort, Mehr-Aveh and Kalge, Shiraz Javid, and the present-day enemy of Ziari of Mamsani, and from there, families went to Africa, which are known as Shirazis of Zanzibar today.…It means that the origin of Shiraz in the western region was Mamsani, which is very little distance from today's Shiraz, and even Mamsani itself was from Goyim until the Qajar period.(Joey) and Beida begins and continues from there until Basht in the suburbs of Gachsaran and areas such as Kakan, Kamfirouz, Kamher, Kohmara, Siakh Dargun, Beida(Milian), Sepidan, Dasht Arjan, Shul, Sangar, Kazaron and Bashet suburbs in Gachsaran suburbs were divided from Mamseni soil and many Mamseni clans were displaced, many of them went to Sistan and even some Javids were relocated to Indonesia. The reason is absolute support. The Mamsanis were from Zandiye and that Agha Mohammad Khan's father was killed by the Mamsanis, the generals of the Zandiye army were all Mamsanis, and on the other hand, the British, who had studied the history of the Mamsanis through their advisors, were trying to put pressure on Qajar by the A'lam family in Khorasan. divided the mamasens of Pars and prevented the unification of the mamasens of the northeast(Khorasan, Gorgan, Afghanistan) and the Mamsans of Pars, and in fact the dark period of the Mamsanis was after Nader Shah during the Qajar period, when the great and powerful Mamasen tribe, which was the strongest tribe in the south of Iran, and its tribes lived as far as Tungestan and Bushehr Plains and from there to Sistan, split into the present-day Mamseni. Became…It is still not clear whether the Shiras of the clay tablets is the modern Shiraz or the old Shiraz, but in any case, the distance between these two places is very small. Area 3. Unknown, but probably Niakhstra or Niriz, District 4. Lidoma.(Fahlian) It was discovered in Mamsani, which was the main region of Pars and was called the Central Satrapy of Pars, and the extent of its administrative court was from Shiraz to the east of Behbahan, which includes today's Mamsani in Fars and Kohgiluyeh and Boyer Ahmad provinces. District 5. Behbahan, Ramhormoz, Ahvaz and district 6. Mosque of Suleiman, Dezful and Shush. Out of 26 cities and residences mentioned in clay tablets from Persepolis to Shush, 13 regions are located in Mamseni and from these tablets the palace or Achaemenid city of Lidoma in Mamseni It was discovered that this palace was the headquarters of the main Achaemenid clan called the Patish Hovarish or Baraftabi clan based on 40 years of tablet studies, and a large alliance of clans was formed in this area to the east of Behbahan, which was known as the Patish Hovarish League. And the union was under the command of Guobreh, the spear thrower, Patish Hovari, the father of Darius the Great, who, in terms of historical events, is the same as Bahman Kiani Shahnameh or Bahman Ardeshir Spandiaran.(Spandiyar's son) It has been and it is necessary to say that Speed ​​Fortress of Shahnameh and Pahlu Palace of Shahnameh, the headquarters of the Kian dynasty, are located in the same Mamsani region, which is known as Pahlian and nowadays Fahlian, and many verses of the Shahnameh are from different areas of Mamsani, including Speid Dezh, Pahlo, Bahlo, Prim, Brim, Camel Sleep Road, Spaid Dej, Tire Kouh(black mountain)And…It is mentioned and Lidoma palace is right next to it(the partisans) It has been discovered. Achaemenid spear thrower Guobare, his name is mentioned in Bistun inscription and Rostam inscription, and the only person whose clan name is given in the 7 Yar rebellion in Bardia's murder is this same Guobare, who was a farming clan, and this is the same clan that Herod By mistake or for any reason, it was called Pasargadian, and historians believe that because the Achaemenids built Pasargad later, and it was their important city and the forts on the border of Persia and Media, Herodotus called them Pasargadian, while such a tribe is mainly written in clay tablets. Niamadeh and Pasrgad meant the fortress of the Persians. Gubre's daughter named Arte Bame, whose name is mentioned more than all of Dariush's wives in the clay tablets, and she was the only wife of Dariush who gave Baraam and had the role of a king and also a special seal. and Gobreh also had their own seal, and they could use the Shah's seal, which made them unique. Arte Bame is the same person we know in the Shahnameh as Homai Dokhtar Bahman, who after Bahman 30 Year on the property of Iran(Pars) He ruled and this is the era of Darius the Great, but like the Sassanians who are of Bahman descent and Darab family(داریوش۳) They were and in the book Khudainamag, they wrote the main dynasty of Kian, that is, Bahman, who comes after him, then Homa, then Darab, Dara, and finally Alexander, in fact, they did not name Darius the Great as a Kian, because Darius(Sepantarme) He was from the sub-dynasty of Kian, and in terms of Achaemenid history, he was also from the sub-dynasty of Achaemenid, and Ferdowsi also wrote poetry in the same way, and the names of the dynasty of Darius, then Xerxes, and Ardashir were not mentioned as the dynasties of the Kian dynasty, because they were from the sub-dynasty. And this has caused the mistake of many modern historians who say that the era of Darius the Great was forgotten, which is ridiculous to say that they did not remember the era of Darius, so why was the era of Ky Khosro, who was much earlier, not forgotten? And all these theories are because many people want to examine the history of the Achaemenids separately from the Shahnameh, which has caused many historical problems and ambiguities that cannot be answered, while the Shahnameh describes well the history that the Sasanians
have collected.
To the extent that Strabo mistakenly calls Dariush's branch the main branch of the kingdom and says that Darius 3 was not from the royal family, and today it is clear that Darius 3 was a descendant of Gubara, that is, from the lineage of Bahman Kiani of the Shahnameh. Strabo is also mistaken because the branch The main kingship is the branch of Kian and Bahman, not Dariush and Goubre. He was the one who knocked Berdia down and said to his son-in-law Dariush, "Why are you idle, why don't you use the dagger?"…Because Dariush was afraid that the dagger would hit the dung in the dark…After the murder of Bardia, Guobre put his son-in-law Darius on the throne of Iran. The historical events, including the conquest of Babylon and the rule in Babylon by Guobre, which are proven in the clay tablets, show us the person known in history as Cyrus. This Gobre was the father of the wife of Darius the Great, and even ancient Iranian texts say that Bahman conquered Babylon, but some texts also say that Koresh was a commander of Bahman in Persia, but what historical events show us is that whatever We know the name of Cyrus is Gubre, and if there was a commander of Gubre, in the western texts, especially Jewish, all the historical characteristics of Gubre and Shahnameh Bahman are given to him, and maybe this person is the one that Strabo mentioned as Agradates. It is mentioned that after becoming a king, he became known as Koresh, and this kingship does not mean an emperor, but he may have become a khan or king of his own clan, not the ruler of Persia. Today's documents show that Koresh was from the clan of men and from the Achaemenid dynasty. and the story of his Madi mother also has no historical truth, and this story was popularized to associate the Medes with the Persians, as many old Iranian texts say that Cyrus was a puppet of Bahman, and the Greek Ktesias, who was in the court of Iran during the time of Ardashir Achaemenid, is clearly It is said that Koresh was from the tribe of men and they were cattle farmers. It is very likely that this person from the tribe of men is the same Agradats who was given the characteristics of avalanche or dew in the writings. The enemy of today's pilgrims lived in Mamsani and still some of them migrated to Khuzestan, including the Pahundehs.…Sogd and Takharistan…Pars and Sistan…They were Eastern Europe and Shamath, and they formed the Scythian Union of the Parti Plateau of Iran. The battle between Mamseni and Alexander is mentioned in Greek texts. According to the researches of ancient Iran, the place of this battle was Teng Khas Javid near Speid Dej Mamseni. It is at least 2300 years old. that the name Mamsani is present in the modern geography in the northwest of Fars. During the time of Salah al-Din Mahmud, the Lorhais of southern Iran went to Shamat to accompany Salah al-Din, whom many consider to be one of the Mamsani shuls and shepherds. Mehtar Salah al-Din Mahmud's own family had a disagreement and returned the Mamasen and Mamkawiyeh to Pars and formed the great Atabakan Ler. They are called Scythian commanders, the Soren family was also from the same lineage of men who lived in Badbad from Sistan to Pars, and the families of Mehran, Karen and Spandiyar also originated from Pars, and they came to power in Pars, Nahavand Ray and Gorgan. All of them are Parthians and Scythians, and the Sassanid dynasty was also in Daraspid Javid, Soran Abad, Parsigan, Javid's Homaygan, and Ardeshir Babakan was introduced to Gochahar Bazarangi in Daraspid Javid. Ardeshir Babkan's mother was a Bazarangian, who were among the survivors of the Persian Marathons and nomads. The birthplace of the Achaemenians and Sassanians was in Memseni, Fars, not anywhere else, and the most authentic Persian tribe is the Memseni, to the extent that Walter Baring, who entered Memseni from Kohgiluyeh, stated in his writings that the Memseni are of a noble race, and their Khanin seem to be It turns out that they came out of the sculptures of Persepolis.
Ibn Battuta, Mardukh, Heravi, Ahmad Eghtari and Bahman Mirza archaeologists have said that Mamseni branch is the root of Lor tribe and many Mamseni clans are scattered in the provinces of Kohgiluyeh and Bakhtiari to Kermanshah and Lorestan. Kerman of Sistan to Kalat of Pakistan were the constituents of the Kayans of Sistan and they always had many migrations to those areas such as Sistan.(The land of the Scythians) It is one of the main sources of memes…Tomani Badlani, Karai, Zhilai, Delavari, Boyer, Ardeshiri, Boyer, Abbasi, Qalandar, Boyeri, Doshman, Ziari, Makundi, Membini, Mamasaleh, Kayed, Pahundeh, Javand, Bamdi, Kyanrasi, Sanjabi, Biranvand, Bajvolund, Skavand, Zand, Vakili, all are of Mamseni descent. Farsan Bakhtiari are Mamseni shooters, Dashtistan and Tangistan are among the family of Rais Ali Delvari Mamseni, who are Mamseni. During the time of Shah Abbas, they formed the government of Ahram in Tungistan. From there, in the east of Persia, the Shabankares and Shuls are Mamseni, to the Sistan Kalat of Pakistan, Baluchistan, South Afghanistan, Khorasan and Gorgan, where many Mamseni live.…The Shahraki clan of Mamsani was the last generation of the rulers of Arg Bam. The Shahrakis got their name from the town of Malik Azdar from the Nakhai clan, who was the commander of the Pars army during the war with the Arabs during the reign of Yazdgerd III. During the reign of Anoushe Rawan Sassanid, 1000 Mamsani horsemen were sent from Pars to Yemen. After Islam, they returned and they were the ones who formed the Khawarij and formed the Nakhai clan of Yemen. They returned to Persia and from Persia went to Sistan. Today, they are a family of the Sarabandi Mamsani tribe of Sistan, and they are descended from the Mamsanis of northeastern Iran to the Mamsanis. Noshirvani Khara are famous and there is also a group of Muhammad Hosni who are descendants of Muhammad, son of Hasan, son of Giloya, son of Mehrgan, grandson of Rozbeh, from Sasanian descent.(Homa is a legendary city) Her name is Homai, the daughter of Bahman Kiani. Gilomehr is the enemy of Mamsani, Galileh Javid, and the province of Kohgiluyeh is called Giluyeh, where the Roman Karians were under the command of Giluyeh. Until the Safavid era, it was part of the Mamsan tribe in Kohgiluyeh, centered on Balad Shapur, who were the Mamsans of Cheram Plain. They were famous, and some of them were in Pars centered on the Fahlians, such as the Mehranganis, Homayganis, and Ardakanis.(White),Sorgani Ha,Shul Ha and…Many people make a big mistake about the Lorestan origin of the shuls, which is not the case.(A block of memes) They came to Pars and they were always in Pars, but during the time of Anoushe Rovan, 80 people from the Shuls were sent to the west of Iran, which was the beginning of Mamsani rule in Lorestan until the time of Makan Rozbahan. The Shuls are also in Sistan. Shul or Sol is a Sanskrit word for It means strong and it was the name of a people in Sogd, where in the Chinese court, the land of Sogd was called the land of Shul. The Shuls have no origin from Lorestan..
The most Parsi tribe of Iran are the Mamasens and they are considered the origin of the Ler Aryan people.
What is called Fars today is a linguistic debate that the Lors themselves are the largest group of Persians in Iran because they speak Pahlavi Sasanian Persian and this linguistic division has nothing to do with the ancient Persian people.…This is a sign of the height of illiteracy that the Lors, especially Mamsani, Kohgiluyeh, Boyer, Bakhtiari and Chaharmahal, are the most authentic Persians of Iran..
From moving to destroying houses to burying the dead with personal belongings to playing wood and horse riding and kariz(Aqueduct) And the Persian language, all the traditions and language of the Scythians are Aryan, and the traditions of the Elamites, such as the belief in femininity and snakes, which were specific to desert dwellers, had no place in the history of the Ler people..
The person we know in history as Malik Ashtar Nakhai, who has caused the suspicion of many historians, is a historical distortion, and this person, Malik Azdar, is not from the Nakhai clan. Malik Azdar(Bearer of the Dragon Badge) The title of Mamsani commanders who went to war with the dragon emblem was also the custom of the Scythians, such as the Soren dynasty and the Rostam family, whose name is the Rostam Mamsani block called Rostam Dastan. The Nakhais were from the Khawarij of Sistan
Those who insist that Beyza was the 6 regions of the royal road have shown that Melian or Beyza was not the name of any regional center, that's why Daniel Potts says that the historical role of Melian is not clear and that Lidoma is the key to Anshan. They are named and all these areas are centered on Lydoma, and they are a large area, not a city. It is also very likely that the Koresh inscription belongs to Gubre, the father-in-law of Darius, who was the conqueror and ruler of Babylon..

Reza

Except that Achaemenid Cyrus was born in Izeh and Izeh was 100% Bakhtiari.

Lor

Oh God, how did you falsify history?:( that Lerhakerda defeated the city, which was originally Kurdish, taking Lera is expensive, God bless you, don't falsify history, it wasn't bad when you said that you were looking at a little bit of history.

Jahangir

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Kurd means immigrant and nomad, here we even use the word Kurdistan(Arab)We also have the second Bakhtiari tribe, according to Roman Girshman, it is rooted in the civilization of Elam, not Aryan

Bakhtiari

Hello
Sir or madam, this guy you mentioned is talking nonsense . Lors are Aryans and people like this guy cannot manipulate history . Don't trust Alki's words either
You, who posted this text, are Persians, not Parthians .

Bakhtiari

Well done

linguist

Professor Roman Girshman is not a dude! He is one of the greatest archaeologists in the world. Lers and Bakhtiaris are not Persians, but Elamites. You can't call yourself Parsi, Aryan, or a blind descendant with these undocumented words.

Arya Bakhtiari

Girshman, a Jewish historian whose words were biased and seditious. The Elamites are a combination of black and Indian population (Asian) They were neither Iranian nor Semitic at all… How can I be so white and black?!!! Collect it, Dad

Hossein Isvand

Who said that tashmals are from India? . Half of our culture is due to the existence of tyranny since the beginning of Bakhtiari. The tashmals were together in the past and over time they drifted apart due to their jobs

Alireza

God bless you, exactly

Amir Abbas Bakhtiari

Greetings and respect from the people of Ler (The Bakhtiaris) According to most ethnologists and historians, they are from the Iranian race and branch of Pars, not Parthian. Please study and research more..

scarce

Currently, the only judge and the most reliable of them is the genetic test.
One of the advantages of genetic testing is that after the result appears, it tells you who you are related to in the world..
Of course, friends should pay attention to choose paternal lineage when ordering, i.e. Y dna
My prediction for the Bakhtiari brothers is that they are of the same descent with people from the Kurds of Kakai and the West of the Middle East, Armenia and Georgia..
Because 3 One of them who have been tested before has J1 haplogroup and the other haplogroup is J2 and also G2.

scarce

Take a look at the shape of the nose of most Bakhtiari men, and you will notice that they are most similar to Kakai Kurds and some northerners and Armenians, and they do not look like Persians at all. Everything related to calling Bakhtiaris Aryans is related to these last few years with malicious political purposes. Recently, some people are trying to forcibly stick the Bakhtiari's Aryan identity, which has no place in history, to history..
Of course, these same people know very well that if they say such things in front of Iranian history professors, they will be ridiculed because they do not have a single document proving that the Bakhtiaris are Aryans..
And the words that are said today about the Bakhtiaris being Aryans and Persians are not only scientifically, historically and anciently invalid, but also very childish and fictional..
Some people bring up the language:
If most black Africans also speak French, are they also of French origin?
The reason for the great difference between Persian dialects in Iran is that Persian and Indo-Iranian are the native and mother tongue of Iranians, which is a combination of Elamite and… and after the arrival of the Aryan ruling minority in Iran, the native people of different regions did not learn the language of the newcomers well and pronounced it with their native dialect and even introduced some words into the Aryan language or vice versa, and it was from this mixing that ancient Persian became Farsi. The current became.
Even now, the ancient and genetic results of the regions where the Aryans migrated to Iran in Russia show that they were carriers of the haplogroup R1a, which in present-day Iran has a maximum 14% And only among Bakhtiaris 9% Is.
The genetic results of the Bakhtiaris also show that the Bakhtiaris are not all the same, that is, they are not all of the same descent and ancestor, and they are a mixture of different people who are ruled by certain families and the culture of those families has dominated all of them..

Hope so

The Bakhtiaris were and will be Aryans, the most important evidence of the Bakhtiaris being Aryans is the customs and language of the Bakhtiaris, who, despite the attacks of the Arabs, Turks and Mongols, still speak a language that has survived since the Sassanid era, unlike current Persian, which is full of Turkish and Arabic words. and Mongolian, no foreign words have entered the Bakhtiari language

A lor

O scumbags of their time, the Germans kicked out Hitler or ran away from him, a hundred years later in Iran, they are still doing the same.

getting better

Excuse me, which Bakhtiari are you from? I want to know the meaning of your clan????? There are some mistakes in your writings, why are you giving wrong information???? (Ancestors started fighting and finally 4 The Langs were able to acquire more land, which made them pay higher taxes and the Seven Langs less.)What are you counting on? 7 Lang pays less tax at all 7 Or 4 We don't have it, but this is what you mean 7 Leng is a small tribe, and this is a mistake from 7 LMG and 4 It's difficult to understand which tribe is bigger. I request you, web writers, don't change places and tell the truth, like our society now, everything has changed.

Reza

Those who say that Bakhtiari is Kurdish. Shahrekord is not Kurdish. They are big. First of all, you can get answers to all questions from the name of Bakhtiari dress.

Hussain

You gave wrong information, the Fars people or the same Aryans have nothing to do with Lor, Bakhtiari, etc… No, Aryans are a tribe whose name has faded and there are also people who like the civilization of this tribe
Be their own people.

Bakhtiari

It is true that Aryans are a great people, but the Lers and Kurds are their people, Cyrus the Great was a Ler and so are Aryans.. If Lori, be proud that you are an Aryan, if you are not, don't say when you don't know

linguist

The only valid document about the origins of the Lors and Bakhtiaris of Iran are the documents of the world's great archaeologists such as Professor Roman Girshman, which all show that the Lors and Bakhtiaris have an Elamite civilization and are not considered Aryans in any way.. He was not blind at all. It is better for every nation to be realistic and not want to buy credit for itself by stealing history. Being lazy is not bad. It is not bad to have roots in the great Elamite civilization, it is also good! Stop stealing history!

Yasin is human

Hey, Grishman is an Iranian, come and comment on Iranian people, go wash your rotten brains with acid, all human beings are born from one father and one mother, so instead of baseless arguments, look for a piece of bread, you are blind. If Bakht was alive and saw your discussions about it, he would definitely be cured, have a nice day

فریدون

What advantage do you have with this Aryan word that everyone who gets up says I am Aryan?
A hundred blessings to the Persians of Fars, Kerman, Yazd, Isfahan, Baloch and Khorasanis who are around 25% They are Aryans in terms of genetics, that is, much more than the Lors and Bakhtiaris, and yet they do not pursue these advantages and claims..
Don't bother yourself
Times have changed
History has no meaning without genetic support
The knowledge of genetics has only proven that the Bakhtiaris are Aryans 9% They are of Aryan descent.
And history also says that Ler and Bakhtiari nomads of western and southwestern Iran are immigrants from northern Syria

Navid Bakhtiari

Don't put pressure on yourself to prove something through genetics. I'm answering you from somewhere. Civilization is 17,000 years old and goes back to the first humans, so we don't need to prove ourselves to anyone or a group. And if you say anything, you better rinse your mouth before taking the holy name of Ler

linguist

Why should hearing the truth be so bitter for you?! Is it a crime to be non-Aryan or to be dependent on the great Elamite civilization?! Why are you so self-deprecating?! At the same time, with this way of talking and using bad words, you are only questioning your own ethnicity!

Arya Bakhtiari

Probably there were no Iranians and all Iranians are Syrians and blacks, it was a good joke

Afshin

Go read and see what ancient Persia was like at that time when some people who claim to be separate and different will laugh at their wrong information.. Bakhtiari and Lor are one of the families of Pars. Now, in the past, we did not have a tribe called Ler, and the Lers speak one of the most authentic Persian languages . The same with Mazni and the same with Gilek. Kurds and Azeris(Tat, effort) They are from the roots of the Medes, which were and are very close to Persian. The Bakhtiaris also wear exactly that beautiful local dress reminiscent of Achaemenid Persian soldiers, and it goes without saying..

Unknown

Who told the Bakhtiaris that you are Aryans?
Take a look here:

http://iraniangen.blogfa.com/post/16

And

http://iraniangen.blogfa.com/post/13

Bakhtiari

If you don't speak Arabic, you don't know anything about the history of Persian Iran. The Bakhtiaris are Aryans, and the enemy tribes cannot change that.

linguist

What does it have to do with them being Arabs?! Why do you call anyone who tells the truth an Arab?! Ler and Bakhtiari are not Aryans or Persians. This has been proven in history, genetics and linguistics! You are rooted in the great Elamite civilization. Be proud of being an Elamite, not this kind of racial theft! Why do you underestimate yourself so much?!

Arya Bakhtiari

Racial theft??!! You are not telling the truth, you are either pan-cherk or pan-Mongol, what do we have in common with the Elamites??!!! Not in architecture, not in polytheistic beliefs, not in beliefs, festivals and languages, in what element are we Elamites??!! Our face is similar to the people of Yazd, Isfahan and the northerners, you are a separatist and cause sedition and alienation of Iranians, Mr. Khorasani, did you fall asleep??!!! Why don't you delete these comments? The grave of the father of freedom of speech!! Freedom of speech at the price of sedition?!

Maitham Zahid

The information you gave is completely clumsy and undocumented. Bakhtiari and Kala Lors and Kurds are mostly from Media and Persia and have nothing to do with Parthians and Parthians. And most of the Bakhtiaris are from the generation of General Badr al-Din Bakhtiar, the son of Atabek Malik Shuja al-Din Khursheed, the first Atabak of Ler Koch in Lorestan, who was killed by his father and his cousin's conspiracy, and he is the ancestor of all Bakhtiaris and Lers of Lirabi.(Behmai, Tayibi, Yousefi and Shir Alai) Shohani lors and Kerami lors and general Boyer Ahmed lors and and and. For the first time, during the Safavid era, due to the bravery of one of the lors named Haj Rostam Khan Palang Bakhtiyarond, who was a descendant of Badr al-Din Bakhtiyar, all the great lors, including Bakhtiari and Boyer Ahmad and the lors of the current Bushehrs, became known as the Bakhtiari tribe, and over time At the time, only the current Bakhtiaris remained Bakhtiari, and now Arabs, Turks, Kurds, and Gilanis also live in Bakhtiari, and although their race is clear, they live in Bakhtiari customs and language. There are tribes in Bakhtiari called Besak and Mogoi in Chaharlang. There are Bakhtiari who are from Bosai and Mogoi tribes in Mada. For this reason, most historians consider Haft Langan to be a part of Pars origin and Chaharlangs to be a part of Madh descent of Bakhtiari, although some clans of Chaharlang and Haftlang are the survivors of Sassanid princes..

فریدون

Well, you cut and sew for yourself
Where is Mad and where are you?!
Where is Pars and where are you?
take me
History and genetics say that the Bakhtiaris are Syrian Kurds
Kurds say Khalo, Bakhtiaris say Khalo, and Syrians say Khalo

Afshin

What does it have to do with the Persians of Khorasan also say Khalo…. . Bakhtiari is from Parse .

oligarch

Khalo means uncle, aunt, mother's sister, aunt, uncle, aunt, they are all from the same root, in the south of the country, Bandari, Fars, Shiraz, and there are many dialects of the Persian language. A little education is not bad.

Aria

Are the Bakhtiaris the oldest Iranian people?

. Amir Ali .

Yes, and Cyrus was also Bakhtiari

WELL

It was Korosh Bakhtiari

Tell me a little joke, why do you say this about the Quran?

Arya

You are still in your ignorance
Cyrus in them(current issue)was born

linguist

Berhas and Bakhtiaris are not Aryans, Persians and descendants of Cyrus. All the researches of the world's reputable archaeologists have proven that the Lors and Bakhtiaris have their roots in the great civilization of the Elamites, not the Aryans.. Koresh was born a few thousand years ago in Enshan, which of course is a region near Fars province, not Izeh, and has nothing to do with the Elamites.! Even if he was born in Izeh, later the Lors have moved to Izeh and they are not from Koresh. I wish instead of thefts without historical documents, you would care a little about your great Elamite roots and not humiliate yourself more.!

Bakhtiari

Mr. Khorasani, don't ignore the discussion of genetics, which is one of the experimental sciences, to prove this claim, the Lors are genetically the purest Aryans and have more than 90% genetic similarity with modern Persians, the research of Professor C. Forza

Arya Bakhtiari

The Elamites were ethnically cleansed by Ashurbanipal and Mesopotamia and their civilization is almost extinct, what is left of the Elamites????!!!!

fvf

Hello friends, read the first history. Second, read the history. Shahrekord or Deh Kord is called Deh Kord for one reason because of the cold water in this place. does

Bakhtiari

Brother Alki, don't divide, don't comment on anyone's place

Mehdi Bakhtiari

Shahrekord or Deh Kurd is only because the people of this city are herdsmen and speak Farsi. And Deh Kurd is the place where cordin felt cloth is produced..

Pooria Ahmadi

I am proud of my blood and my bloodline and my origin is Bakhtiari and my race is Aryan and I feel proud of this father because I am an authentic Iranian and always we are Bakhtiari.(Lors) We have been behind our dear country Iran and we have never called for secession, and our ancestors and brothers have given their lives for our dear homeland, and I am a proud Bakhtiari.
May the victory of our dear and noble Bakhtiari people remain eternal and proud, our dear homeland, Iran, the earth
If it's not Iran, don't have hair

Arad

Arad:
– Herodotus, the famous Greek writer and historian, writes this way in his book History of the Achaemenians: Hakhamanesh (Ancestor of Cyrus) It was headed by Ili Kochero from the Pars tribe, who was in the Bakhtiari mountains (Middle Zagros) they lived. And in fact, Achaemenid is born of Bakhtiari mountains.
۲- Cyrus the Great writes in his charter: (I am Cyrus their king. The king of the four corners of the world...) Cyrus mentions them first in this text. The place itself was born there, and in fact, the great Achaemenid Empire was formed and expanded from this region. It should not be said that Anshan is the name of present-day Izeh in Khuzestan and one of the important cities of his government at that time, where the central temples of idolatry were located.(Thank you) This is the present Suleiman Mosque, which is a completely Bakhtiari-populated area.

۳- the dress that Achaemenid kings and soldiers wore; If we look closely, it is very similar to Bakhtiari men's clothes (Chuga) has it. The name "Choqa" is also derived from "Cheghazanbil" temple of Zoroastrian and Achaemenid..
۴- Shirsingi (Bradsher) which the Bakhtiaris place on the graves of their elders is one of the symbols of the capitals of Persepolis.

Arad

– Herodotus, the famous Greek writer and historian, writes this way in his book History of the Achaemenians: Hakhamanesh (Ancestor of Cyrus) It was headed by Ili Kochero from the Pars tribe, who was in the Bakhtiari mountains (Middle Zagros) they lived. And in fact, Achaemenid is born of Bakhtiari mountains.
۲- Cyrus the Great writes in his charter: (I am Cyrus their king. The king of the four corners of the world...) Cyrus mentions them first in this text. The place itself was born there, and in fact, the great Achaemenid Empire was formed and expanded from this region. It should not be said that Anshan is the name of present-day Izeh in Khuzestan and one of the important cities of his government at that time, where the central temples of idolatry were located.(Thank you) This is the present Suleiman Mosque, which is a completely Bakhtiari-populated area.

۳- the dress that Achaemenid kings and soldiers wore; If we look closely, it is very similar to Bakhtiari men's clothes (Chuga) has it. The name "Choqa" is also derived from "Cheghazanbil" temple of Zoroastrian and Achaemenid..
۴- Shirsingi (Bradsher) which the Bakhtiaris place on the graves of their elders is one of the symbols of the capitals of Persepolis.

Pooria Ahmadi

Peace be upon you
Wiki, one of the other reasons why we Bakhtiaris are from the Persian race is that according to the books (Ancient Iran and Immortal Iran and Earth Iran) that we Bakhtiaris are of Aryan and Persian race, and Kurds are of Medes race, and again, according to linguists, the only people who currently have the closest dialect to ancient Persia, we are Bakhtiaris, in the way that our dialect came from Middle Persian to Ancient Persian is coming back and we are the only ethnic group with the closest language to ancient Persian, so this is one of the other reasons that we Bakhtiaris are of Persian descent.

Lidoma

OK, I'll tell you, please don't make a biased comment, you have everything from the Ler suffix, long live the people of Pars (Lor)

Zhyar

This is not the case at all. If you study a little, the only language that is most similar to the ancient Persian language(Avestan) He is talking

فریدون

Kurdish immigrants from Syria(Lors and Bakhtiaris) They overcame the indigenous minority living in the west and southwest
Henry Layard-Siri's book in Bakhtiari territory
Also refer to Hamdaleh Mostofi's selected history

oligarch

So who were those minorities? If so, then the majority should have prevailed over the minority, then the names of all the Bakhtiari and Ler clans and their languages ​​are Persian and Iranian, how could they be Syrians? Mostofi Souti gave a historical account, these were the Iranians who participated in the wars of Salah al-Din Ayubi and returned to Iran. Suri mentioned that the most climate-friendly areas of Iran belong to the oldest Iranian tribes, those who came later and settled in the desert.

Arya

Peace be upon you
I am proud to say that I am Bakhtiari
Be sure to research the clan of our paternal grandfather, who is Asterki, and you will see that in their names, after the Arab attack, the letter Shin was changed to Sin. ,And we are also Oligodarzi, and from the name of our tribe, it is clear that we are horse riders and the first tribe to raise horses, and after the Sarlaks of Ordu village, they have one of the richest musics in Oligoderz..
The only people who are the purest and most authentic tribe are the Durakis, of which we, the Asterakis, are one of their sub-branches, and our paternal grandmother's tribe, who are Basaks, are actually originally from Chaharmahal and Bakhtiari, who are related to Sardar Asad Bakhtiari. And you can also research about this tribe
Greetings to all Bakhtiari
Long live whatever you want

Arya

In fact, Lers and Kurds go to Syria but return back

Lerboir Ahmadi

Yes, it was for the crusades that Salah Din Ayoubi ordered to kill them due to his fear of the Lors, and during the Abbasid period, he was forced to return to the archeologist's Minoruski source. There are Babkan and Abbasi tribe. The Lors participated in many wars, the Crusades, which are called the Abbasid Lors who returned from Syria . At the time of Nadir Shah Afshar, there was a war in Kandahar, and when many people were in Ler, they settled there, the conquest of India also stayed there, they stayed in Sistan Baluchistan on the way back, they stayed in Sistan Baluchistan, anywhere except the Ler resident areas, it was because of the war or exile.

Senator

Mr. Fereydoun, you say that it was good that the Bakhtiaris came from northern Syria. You visited Persepolis and Cheghazanbil. The Bakhtiari dress was inspired by the minarets of Persepolis. Probably Cyrus and Darius also came from northern Syria. I am Iranian, but please. ……

Tahmasabi

In the name of Allah
I am Tahmasabi from Karaj
There is someone among my friends who has information about the Tahmasabi family and their genealogy. Thank you for your help. Phone number 912********

Friedrich

Tahmasabi are from Tesh Raki, Babadi Bab tribe and Haft Lang tribe from Bakhtiari tribe, Ler tribe..

Alireza

Bakhtiari are not Lor, Bakhtiari and Lor are two completely separate peoples

Bakhtiari Zadeh

Bakhtiari, the main tribe of the Ler tribe, which is the great Ler, includes you separatist Pankordas, your intentions are very sinister.

Mahmud

Friends, please don't be mistaken. The Kurdish city has nothing to do with the Kurdish name and the Kurdish people. The original name of the Kurdish city was Deh Kord, which became known by this name because of the weaving of a cover called Kurdine, and if you search all four places, you will find a Kurd in it. It is not possible. In the percentage of the ethnic groups of Char Mal Bakhtiari province, it is written as well as the ethnic groups living there, that the Bakhtiari alone are about 60 They make up the percentage of this province..

Mohsen

You forgot the Kurds of Gandman and Shami Kurds, brother

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