In this article, we discuss the origin of Persian letters and we intend to prove that Persian letters (Persian) which we are using now is not only not rooted in Arab history, but even the Arabic letters themselves are derived from Iranian letters.
Keep this point in mind while reading(Is it even possible for the Arabic letters that the researchers claim to have been formed within a short period of time? What period does it originate from? So what is the reason for its similarity to Avesta and Pahlavi letters? If Pahlavi and Avesta letters are much older?)
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History of the Persian alphabet
The script and Aryan script that was written on leather based on what Darius said in the Bistun inscription, was a script that in the long history of Iran, Iranian writers made changes in it, and with the help of Parthian, Sogdian, Manichaean, Syriac, and Pahlavi inscriptions. , Pahlavi of the book, Pahlavi of the Christian, Avesta(Dabirah's religion) And they created many teachers and other lines. Farsi script that we are writing with today and out of ignorance we call it Arabic script is also in line with the same process of learning and evolution of script in Iran.. Iranian scholars and intellectuals who were usually familiar with one or more debirahs and alphabets of their time such as Pahlavi, Syriac, Sogdian, Manichaean and Avestan, could have created and ritualized today's debirah and Persian script better than anyone.. The script that we write in today is a sequence of Pahlavi, Avesta, and Manavi scripts … It is that they are the continuation of the Aryan script which was used during the Achaemenid era and before that, during the Medes and maybe even during the Zoroastrian era..
[Bahman Ansari; Our secretary today, the Arabic alphabet or the Aryan alphabet?]
This is the extent to which our Persian alphabet is borrowed from ancient Iranian scribes:
Fifty percent of the letters of the Persian alphabet are taken from the Maniwi script. Like the letters P, Kh, F, D, E, and F… .
Thirty percent of the letters of the Persian alphabet are taken from Debirah Avestai. Like the letters b, r, z, g, and f … .
Eight percent of the letters of the Persian alphabet are derived from the Pahlavi script, such as the letter L.
Also, twelve percent of the Persian alphabets are unrelated to the Manichaean, Avestan, and Pahlavi alphabets, and after Islam, they were created by the Iranian secretaries of the Abbasid caliphate, such as the letters t, zh, y, and… .
[Bahman Ansari; History and history of Persian alphabet letters]
There are no four phonemes in the Arabic alphabet. Instead of these 4 phonemes, Arabic speakers mostly use the phonemes "fkzj, tash, shq".. and also the word “ک” From the Persian language, sometimes with the word “G” They make multiples in the same way. And about “And” Persian also generally turns it into f. Not using these phonemes in itself is not a problem in a language, but after the arrival of Islam in Iran, the Arabic alphabet was used to write Persian script.. The rejection and non-use of the four phonemes, GCHP, by the Arabs, caused them to manipulate other languages instead of changing and improving their language and lead many Iranian and Persian words to destruction.. The invasion of the Arabic language has caused damage to the Persian language and caused some Iranian words to be forgotten and sometimes destroyed.. This transformation of the Persian language has spread to such an extent that even the name of the Persian language has been changed to Farsi. The transformations of the Persian language are not due to their own problems, and they carry the burden of other language problems.[۴] [۵]
Damaged words in the Persian language, due to the absence of GCP in the Arabic language:
Words with "g" sound (such as Gorgani = Jurjani, Boozermehr = Bozarjamehr)
Words with the sound "Ch" (Like Jamkaran = Jamkaran, Chach-Rood = Jajrood)
Words with "p" sound (Like Pars = Fars, Pardis = Firdos, Pil = Elephant)
Words with the sound "zh" (Kej = crooked, lapis lazuli = lapis lazuli)
Also, many Persian words that have the phonemes of کھپک, کھپہ, instead of changing in one phoneme, have been replaced by another Arabic word.. (like a scorpion>> Scorpio, deep>> Depth, tomb>> tomb, word>> The word, the source>> Source)
Source
The influence of Persian language on the language and literature of the Indian subcontinent, art field, Mohammad Ajam
The importance of Persian language in the era of the global village of Mohammad Ajam – Hamshahri online (Republished in Dilmistan)
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Urdu alphabet
The Urdu alphabet is also based on the Persian alphabet, which is formed by adding four more letters to the Persian alphabet.. These four letters are: T, D, D, E. Hei duchsham is also represented in Urdu with another letter as: H. These four letters show that the Persian alphabet is derived from the Pahlavi and Avestan alphabets.
Now, we recommend the users of Parsian Dej to follow Dr. Aydin Pourmuslim's article below so that they can find the answer to this question. (Arabic letters or Iranian letters?)
Many consider the script and alphabet of the Persian language to be Arabic and believe that after the fall of the Sassanid dynasty and the Arab domination of Iran, this script was borrowed from the Arabs and the script of the Holy Quran by the Iranians and replaced the Pahlavi alphabet and script.. This belief has become so official and widespread that not only many of us Iranians also accept it and consider our alphabet and script to be Arabic, but this theory has been recorded in many reference sites and even the Wikipedia virtual encyclopedia. It is enough to study the formation of Arabic script and Persian script in this encyclopedia or similar encyclopedias to clearly see the repetition of the claim that Persian script has Arabic roots..
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To defend the Iranian identity of this script, many have pointed out several differences such as the four letters "P, Ж, Г, Ч" or the rebellious letter "K" in Persian, which is not in Arabic, and the writing form of "E" and "Y" in Persian. they say :"Iranians played an important role in the development of the written script of the Qur'an and in fact the Arabic script with their taste and with a glimpse of the Avestan Pahlavi script." have made. A group also points to this historical process that the Qur'an was originally written by the Muhajir and Ansar memorizers, the most famous of whom was Hazrat Ali(ع), Talha, Zubair, Abu Musa Ash'ari, Amr bin As, Zayd bin Thabit, Saad bin Ubaid, Anas bin Malik, as well as Aisha and Umm Salma, among the wives of the Prophet.(ص) have been written down about twenty years after the death of the Prophet of Islam by Uthman the third caliph and the four-member council of Zayd bin Thabit, Abdullah bin Zubair, Saeed bin As, and Abd al-Rahman bin Harith, which dates back to a time after The conquest of Iran by Umar goes back and it can be a proof of the lack of calligraphy among the Arabs, although this second theory has opponents who believe that the Quran was written in three stages that began at the time of the Prophet.(ص) It started and was completed during the time of Abu Bakr and Uthman, and they believe that the written Qur'an has existed since the early years of Islam..
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In this letter, I am not going to put these two theories as the basis of argument and discussion, and rather, I am going to raise a very important question assuming the acceptance of the opinion of those who believe that this script already existed in Arabia, and that is the root What is this Arabic script that is supposed to be before Islam in Arabia itself? And if you believe that the Arabs had this script before Islam, answer this question: Where did the Arabs get this script from?
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In terms of archaeological findings, there is almost no doubt in this regard that the Arabs of the Hejaz region did not know how to write, because not a single example of calligraphy has been found from this region, and there is no sign of the existence of writing and literacy among the Arabs of the Hejaz until today. It has not been found, but there are two ancient writings from the Arabs of northern Arabia who were in the vicinity of the Mesopotamian civilizations 2000 year has been found. These two documents in the north of the Arabian Peninsula and near the Mesopotamian civilization are the only evidence of the existence of pre-Islamic handwriting among the Arabs of the northern peninsula, although no parallel has been found for these two examples of handwriting from the center and south of the peninsula.. Proponents of the Arabic roots of the script that we use today base their best argument on the evolution of this script from the alphabet and the Nabatean script in the neighboring civilization of Mesopotamia, which they claim has an ancient Aramaic origin..
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The word Nabata refers to the Nabata tribe, which dates back to ca 150 BC they lived in Nabatieh and were of Arab race, and the Arameans were a tribe of Arabs from North Arabia who migrated to the Middle East and settled in Mesopotamia.. They established a government for themselves in the first millennium BC, but they soon became tributary to Assyria. Their language was Aramaic, and there is another theory that their script, that is, Aramaic script, which they consider to be the mother of the Arabic script and the script we use today, was derived from the Phoenician alphabet..
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Of course, this story has other claimants who try to give this line a Jewish root . They say that the Arameans were the children of Aram, the children of Shem, and the Chaldeans learned this script from them and then derived the Hebrew script from it, and finally the claim is that this script is also the heritage of the Jewish people..
In this essay, as I have emphasized before, I have accepted the premise that this script existed before Islam, and I have raised a question, where did the origin of this script come from before Islam? The answer is according to what was mentioned and based on the theory that is even reflected in the encyclopedias, the civilization of Mesopotamia is the Nabataean people and finally the Aramaic civilization, who are considered to be of Arab origin, and also a group whose initial roots are the Phoenicians and the Jews of the Jewish people. they know. We can see that even in this argument, the origin of this line is referred to northern Arabia and outside of Hejaz and to the civilization of Mesopotamia and is not directly related to the Arabs of the peninsula.. The main and most popular opinion is that the Arameans, who were themselves tributaries of Assyria, probably learned and changed this script from the Phoenicians..
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There is no doubt that we Iranians have learned a lot from other nations and this spirit of learning has continued throughout our history. Five hundred years before Christ, Herodotus depicts Persian soldiers as an army that, although they have a well-known uniform, each piece of it is inspired by a nation, which shows the lack of prejudice, acceptance and learning, and at the same time, the power of combination and innovation. And extroversion is a civilization, and centuries later, Chardin wrote in his travelogue that although Iranians are not pioneers in invention in the present age (which has many historical reasons) But very soon they learn everything and apply it. It is obvious that the present article was not written from the position of certainty and certain scientific knowledge, and its most important goal is to put an important question mark in front of references, textbooks and encyclopedias that definitely consider this script to be Arabic.. The basis of this essay is neither certainty nor two-way stereotyping "art is with Iranians and that's enough" and anti-Arabism, but the main goal of an argumentative plan that may be worth further investigation and research..
Today, we know that it is claimed that the first known Persian script was a modified version of the cuneiform script, which was created by the order of Dariush Shah.. The first version of this script was found in the time of Darius and the last one was found in the time of Ardashir III, which shows that this cuneiform script was modified with 36 The letter, which was the simplest cuneiform script in its own way, compared to other cuneiform versions in neighboring civilizations, although it did not last long.. We also know that the Achaemenians used to send their letters to each nation in the language and script of that nation, which is even mentioned in the Torah, which is emphasized in the "Esther" section where King Xerxes is mentioned. He wrote his letters to each country in the handwriting of that country.
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In the meantime, the tablets found in Aramaic written in a script that today is called the Aramaic script and the mother of the Arabic alphabet, due to the wide geographical spread of the people who spoke this language in the Iranian Empire, had a special place.. But there are two questions here. First, according to which document is this script called "Aramaic"? Just because there are writings in Aramaic written in this line? So what should we do with the other inscriptions that were found in this script but in Khozi, Anshani, Persian, Hindi, Coptic and even Greek languages? And the second question is whether there was a line among the Iranian peoples in the history before this and in the era of Zoroastrian's appearance and after that?
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To answer this question, look at the paragraph 20 We have the Biston inscription, which is a very valuable document in terms of history. Darius the Great ordered it to be written in the Baghstan inscription: Dariush Shah says: By the will of Ahuramazda, this is my line that I made. Apart from this, it is written in Aryan language and script both on the tablet and on the leather. Apart from that, I also made my body and besides that, I wrote my genealogy. This writing was read before me. After that, I sent these writings everywhere among the countries.
King Darius says: By the grace of Ahuramazda this is the inscription which I have made. Besides, it was in Aryan script, and it was composed on clay tablets and on parchment. Besides, a sculptured figure of myself I made. Besides, I made my lineage. And it was inscribed and was read off before me. Afterwards this inscription I sent off everywhere among the provinces. The people unitedly worked upon it
In addition to this historical and valuable document that was mentioned, there is another second document in hand, which proves the claim that this document is fake or contemporaneous. ( These days, some people use this trick to attack Iran's history and de-identify Iranians) And any other denial and fallacy is closed. This second document is a copy of the Biston inscription, which was found on El-Fiel Island in Egypt, which practically confirms the historical authenticity of the first inscription..
This inscription and its copy can therefore be valuable, in which Darius Shah clearly calls the script that is commonly and perhaps intentionally called "Aramaic" as Aryan, and he himself emphasizes that by his order, the tablets were This script was spread in the united countries of the Persian Empire, and this could be the beginning of challenging this scientifically unfounded but widespread theory that the Achaemenids borrowed this script from the Arameans and made it their official script..
If we want to talk more about this line, we must point out that the story goes back to the possibility of the existence of a line that existed even before the Persian Empire and the birth of Cyrus the Great among the Aryans, specifically the Medes, which is one of the two mother tribes of the Iranians. It has been popular. This line could have been popularized in this region after the Medes conquered the destructive people of "Assyria", which was the dominant civilization of Mesopotamia.. Diaoko who is considered to be the first king of Iran around 750 BC, as the wisest man of the Medes, he reached the kingdom of Medes by a council of Medes tribes. He established a powerful government that became the largest kingdom of that time. His son "Frortish" in 670 BC, he was able to defeat the Assyrian Empire, and he was the one who, after uniting with the Scythians and the Persians, who were other Aryan tribes of the Iranian Union, handed over the Persian kingdom to Cyrus's father Cambogia..
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Some may criticize that before the Medes succeeded in defeating Assyria, they were tributary to Assyria for a while, and it is possible that during this time they learned this line from the Assyrians.. It is a very good point, but the answer is that at that time the Assyrian cuneiform script was Assyrian, and the exact point is that there are no inscriptions of the so-called Aramaic script related to this era in Assyria, and in fact, when Assyria and Sargon II ruled over Media. At 713 BC, the Assyrian cuneiform script became dominant, and we do not know any inscriptions of this Aramaic script from Assyria in this date, and it is interesting that the appearance of these script samples all goes back to the period after the conquest of the Medes, which assumes a connection between this dominance and It strengthens the influence of Iranian culture in this region in the following years, especially after the conquest of Babylon by Cyrus the Great.
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A group may point to the great similarity of some letters of the alphabet in Phoenician and Aramaic to prove the origin of the so-called Aramaic script from the Phoenician alphabet. It reveals their similarity.
The findings of archaeologists show the use of the first Phoenician script ca 1050 BC, but the point is that, as mentioned, the Jews also consider their script, of course, Paleo-Hebrew or ancient Hebrew, as the mother of the so-called Aramaic script, and in order not to be behind the Phoenicians, it is older than They say a thousand years before Christ, but what is certain is not by claim but by historical documents, the use of the same Aramaic script by Jews around 700 BC, which is still used in a limited tribe called Samaritans
In this section, I would like to raise some important questions against the claims of the Phoenician and Jewish origins of this line, both of which seem very convincing at first, which can be studied historically..
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First, I will discuss the claim of the Jews who consider this line as their heritage and the descendants of Shem. First, the claim that this script is more than three thousand years old has not been proven by the Jews, and regarding the sample of the first script found by them in 700 BC, it is necessary to pay attention to a subtle point, which is that, as mentioned, this line is still common among the Samaritans, who are a very old and faithful minority of the Jews.. But the question is, who are these Samaritans who distinguished them in the use of a script that they call Paleo-Hebrew or ancient Hebrew and of early Aramaic origin? When we search for the historical roots of the Samaritans, we come to a very interesting point, and that is that according to the prevailing suspicion, this tribe of Jews is the same limited group of Jews that Sargon 2 The ruler of Assyria returned them to their homeland, and the existence of this line among them is historically the same time as the era when Assyria conquered Media for the first time and thus became familiar with them. This is a point that can be the historical curiosity of any researcher. to stimulate in relation to this time.
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In relation to the Phoenician historical origin of this line and in the explanation of the transfer of the Phoenician alphabet to Mesopotamia, it is often said in the sources that Phoenician sailors spread this line because the main work of these people was trade, but perhaps considering all this story, we can Just to ask one question, is it possible that the merchants who exported the line were originally the importers of the line? And basically, how can we be sure that the Phoenicians, who were traveling people, did not bring this line to their land from somewhere else? In this section, I ignore the argument that some researchers even believe that the Phoenicians themselves were a group of Iranians who migrated from the shores of the Persian Gulf to today's Lebanon.
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The key point here is that in this essay, despite the very logical appearance of the argument of Phoenician and Jewish origin, the question remains unanswered when you search for the source of the first origin of calligraphy, but in a meaningful way, the dates are completely related to the encounters between Iranians and Semitic peoples, which themselves can validate the third hypothesis which has been ignored in a meaningful way until today
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It is possible that with the fall of the Assyrian state by the Medes, the Aryan script was popular in this land and between the rivers, and the letters in Aramaic language were written in this script, and basically the claim that this script is Aramaic because the Aramaic language is written through this script It has been written, it is as irrelevant as this argument, if we say that because Iranians speak Persian, then their script is also Persian, according to the supporters of the Aramaic script theory, it is irrelevant and incorrect.. The issue of script and language are two separate categories, and the existence of writing in one language is not a reason to call script in that language, just as although we have French and Spanish languages, there is no foreign script called Spanish script or French script.. Therefore, the existence of tablets in Aramaic, which was a very common language in that era, cannot be a strong reason for reading the script used in those tablets in Aramaic..
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It is interesting that this script is not only found among the Aramaic parts, but as mentioned in the entire territory of ancient Iran, and this is another reason that raises the question why this script is read with Aramaic insistence? Inscriptions in Khozi, Enshani, Persian, Indian and Coptic languages have been found in this script, and there are even inscriptions in Greek, but this script is certainly not Indian or Coptic or Enshani, just as it is not Aramaic, and basically this is called Aramaic. The line is definitely a little strange and suspicious of a significant distortion of history for group identification and de-identification of the original possible heirs, and it is surprising that this belief has been spread in our sources without thinking and without questioning it, simply by proposing it by A few researchers in the western academy have been considered certain.
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It is not surprising that the authors of this theory even try to pretend that the Achaemenians learned the script from the Arameans and because of its advantages, they made this script their international script, not that this script belonged to the Iranians themselves.!! But fortunately, those two valuable documents are still in hand, which can face a serious challenge to the certainty of this unsubstantiated historical theory..
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"The change in the shape of the Iranian alphabet in its current form took place after Islam, and it was the case that the Iranian people tried to facilitate the learning of the alphabet and put similar letters together in terms of appearance and sound order so that it would be easy for new learners to learn it. And they named it "Alfabai Piramoz"..
Arabs did not have a script as far as history shows, and the script that went to Arabia from Hamir and Anbar and was published at the time of the advent of Islam, is not Arabic script, but the Arabic language was written in this script, and as written works in the early Islamic centuries and After that, it was written in Arabic, the script with which the Arabic language was recorded became known as "Arabic script" and the identity and origin of the script was easily changed, and then in recent years, an attempt was made to create a false historical theory. The scientific basis should not be discovered but invented, but it is very painful that even we Iranians call this line Arabic without questioning and researching..
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Bigotry and ethnocentrism are undoubtedly rejected, but let's not allow fanatics and Arab and Jewish ethnocentrists to destroy the identity and history of our land, and a part of the western academy in closing most of the chairs of Iranology and prejudice against Greco-Roman projects. (Greece and Rome) For political reasons, look at these claims with a positive opinion and confirm them, and encyclopedias should be written with this distortion, just as it is happening little by little with the name of Persian Gulf for political reasons.. Let's not let them call our calligraphy and alphabet Arabic with certainty, because while in the most optimistic state, this theory is not certain and the second theory should also be documented in official sources..
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It is enough to search the history of the creation of the Persian alphabet and the Arabic alphabet in cyberspace to see how much of this distortion and the heart of history is repeated by them and even by us, until we ourselves turn this distortion into our official history. we have made .
At the end, I will leave some pictures of the Nabata script claimed by the theorists of the Arabic alphabet, as well as examples of the Avestan script, so that you can judge for yourself which one is closer to the current script and whether even the same claim made in relation to the branching of the Arabic script from the Nabata script is possible. Is it accepted or not?! It is interesting that even the script that is called Kufi and found after the conquest of Bistun is all Pahlavi and Avesta, which I will put the comparison picture below, and finally, the final judgment and decision to expand this article is with you..
Article by Dr. Aydin Pourmuslimi
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( Inscriptions in Khozi, Enshani, Persian, Hindi and Coptic languages have been found in this script, and there are even inscriptions in Greek, but this script is certainly not Indian or Coptic or Enshani, just as it is not Aramaic.)
It is true that language and script are separate, but how can Iranians be excluded from this rule????
According to the mentioned rule, it can be said that this line has inscriptions in Persian language …. obtained, but certainly this Persian script and ….. is not
And according to which document, this script is called Aryan just because Dariush Shah claimed ownership of this script?!!!!!!!
The material about the origin of the calligraphy was really excellent. I had heard these things before in the calligraphy museum and the national museum, and I had even read about these similarities, but it's a pity that Wikipedia, which is the basis of many searches, says something else, correct it.
I wish someone would go to Pedia and fix the Farsi script in Google.…
God look at you….! The Arabs have killed us Iranians many times throughout history and raped us, but they still demand work and the right to speak on the side.. How far is racism?!! They have to apologize to us for the rest of their lives, but they are constantly greedy for our land and tell us everything that comes out of their mouths.. It's my fault! A country that teaches Arabic as a second language in schools, and the people of Iran who still think that Islam is for Muhammad(If it is an incomplete copy of Iranian mysticism) The same disrespects and misfortunes happen to us!!
Hello, I had a question from Mr. Hamed. He is familiar with Arab civilization. Please name some Eids from Arab civilization before Islam so that it is clear what kind of civilization and culture the Arabs had.. Thank you, pity
Peace be upon you
You post the best content.
Arabic language was and still is a strong oral language, but in terms of writing, handwriting and history, due to the lack of a significant civilization before Islam, it was only the language of the desert tribes and it was an oral language, but Persian and the other three languages are regular languages and have their own literature and history. It is interesting that the Arabs believe in Iran, the Persian-Arabic alphabet was compiled by the Iranians and some Arabs at the order of one of the Arab rulers, and the other alphabets used by the Persians were forcibly prohibited from being used. Islam is a ridiculous claim by the Arabs, so the Arabs should thank God that Islam appeared.
far away from you. I really liked your site. Also, when I see that some people use the word "Drood" in the criticism section, I am very happy. From now on, I want to use Arabic words less and say "Drood" instead of the word "Salam".??✌
I am proud that my name is Iranian??
The Arabic script was acquired from Aramaic, which is the Syrian people today . Arameans were Semitic tribes and cousins of Arabs . Iranians did not have calligraphy before Islam and imitated Arameans and Babylonians .
Iranians did not have calligraphy before Islam!!!!!!!!!؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
Regarding the words you said about the Phoenicians
I agree with you that the Phoenician alphabet itself is derived from the Niacina alphabet
And the Niacina alphabet is derived from Egyptian hieroglyphs
And it has nothing to do with even cuneiform, which was invented by the Sumerians and was once popular on the side of the Persian Gulf, and again, you wrote here with prejudice and lies.
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In addition, you are using Iranian and Aryan words for fallacy in the discussion
The name of Iran is derived from the name of the Aryan people, and it has been given a geographical and territorial meaning since the third century AD by the Sassanids
Just as the name of Germany is derived from the name of the Germans, but this does not mean that no one lived in that geography before the Germans.
A more concrete example is the name of Turkey, which is less than 100 years old…The name of the country Türkiye is derived from the name of the Turkic people…2000 years later, can archaeologists of the 41st century claim that the people who lived in the current geography of Turkey were Turks from time immemorial?
no…We have seen that Kurds also live in Turkey today, whose language is not Turkish, neither do they use the word Turk for themselves, nor do we use the word Turk for them.
Therefore, it cannot be said that Kurds are Turks, but Kurds (nationality) Turkish (Nationality) we have
A hundred years ago, large groups of Armenians and Greeks lived in Turkey, whose religion was not similar to the dominant religion of the Turkic peoples. (Islam) had- Not their language - not the phrase they use to address themselves- Not the phrase used to address them…So don't leave at all
Therefore, you can use Iranian nationality after the 3rd century AD, and none of the kings before this date used the word Iran to refer to the entire land under their rule.
In the same Iran during the Sasanian era, different Aramaic-Arabic-Jewish and other ethnicities lived, which did not belong to the circle of Aryan ethnicity.
The Elamites are also Aryans and not Iranians in the first way
In short, the Aryans were an invading tribe who invaded this land 3000 years ago and became rulers
Just like 1000 years ago, the Turks invaded this land and became rulers.
If the Phoenicians migrated from the Persian Gulf to the Lebanon region, they are Aryans (From a people who used the word Arya to refer to themselves and their neighbors called them Aryan - Aryan religion - Aryan language) They were not and did not have Aryan ethnicity
They did not have Iranian nationality either, because this concept of nationality has been around since the time of the Sassanids (Refer to Bistun inscription, where there is no trace of nationalism and the application of a single title for the entire land under the rule.)
And your fallacy is like the fallacy of the Pan-Turks, that all the tribes that lived in the geography of Turkey today (The Sumerians- Urartos and …)
They know Turkey
Human history is full of migration- Cultural influence – Cultural influence and … LT is
If they put all kinds of pans (Both pan-Aryan- Pankord-Pantrek-Pan-Arab and…)The Middle East is also breathing a sigh of relief
Hello at your service. First, according to Dr. Ashrafian's new genetic tests, the Aryans were not invaders, they returned to their homeland, they were forced to migrate out of the Iranian plateau due to a huge drought tens of thousands of years ago, and a few thousand years later, their descendants returned to the Iranian plateau again. And by comparing the genetic evidence of the people before the migration and the people who entered the plateau of Iran, they came to the conclusion that these people have a lot of genetic evidence, and this fundamentally rejects the fact that the Aryans are foreigners and invaders. Now, science is advancing and the results and New research refutes previous opinions
I watched all the programs of Dr. Ashrafian Bonab
I also know that you should refer to new sources and recent articles
The problem is that Dr. Ashrafian knows more genetics than history
First of all, what you say is true for all ethnic groups, not only Aryans
Because the origin of modern man is Africa, and when he left Africa, he first passed through the Arabian Peninsula, then Anatolia, Iran, and the Caucasus until he entered the northern steppes and from there about 12000 Last year, he reached the Bering Strait and entered America
So with this argument it can be said that no one is an attacker…Because it has returned thousands of years later
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The luck is that now my child will go to America and his family's language will be English, and as a result, if my child comes back to Iran, he will be considered foreign to Iran.…The Aryans who returned thousands of years later were also foreigners
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But the fact that the Aryan arrival cannot be traced with genetics is the same thing that happened when the Turks arrived in Azerbaijan. (The language changed, but the genetics did not change that much) It also happened with the arrival of Aryans in Iran…The language changed, but the genetics did not change
Basically, Dr. Ashrafian did not do such a great discovery because of his discovery, and if you know a little English, you will see that this is what archaeologists and anthropologists have been saying for decades.…For language shift, the demic diffusion model has been suggested, which can explain language change while not changing genetics that much.
And basically, Mr. Ashrafian Bonab did the problem that was tried before for ethnic groups in other parts of the world on the case study of Iran and using the genetic samples of Iranians, and found out that yes, this model is true for Iran as well.
This is a saying that has been said for decades, and that is that the early Neolithic migrations had the greatest effect on genetics than the later migrations that created language families.
And this is what common sense accepts…For example, can you believe that the Arabs killed all the Egyptians until the Egyptians became Arabs? No, the people of Egypt are the same as the ancient Egyptians with a new identity and now they call themselves Arabs
Can you believe that the Turks killed all the previous tribes of Azerbaijan? No, the people of Azerbaijan are unlike the ancient Azerbaijanis, but with a new identity and now they call themselves Turks
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The beginning of the migration of Aryans from the northern steppes has nothing to do with drought and so on
Humans were Hunter and Gatherers in the beginning and they roamed the whole world in search of food and gradually started farming on the banks of the rivers.…He tamed the dog, raised cattle and so on ….
about 7000 To 6000 Last year, the horse was domesticated by the people of the northern steppes (At that time, horses were mostly scattered in these parts of the land)
By using the human horse, he can travel long distances and from now on, a series of attacks until the century 16 It is done towards the south…First by different Indo-European peoples, then by the Turks and finally by the Mongols
In the century 16 AD empires of gunpowder emerged (Ottoman Empire, Safavid and Gorkani)
Therefore, the northern tribes no longer had the upper hand in war, and the war was not only dependent on horse riding skills
In fact, this is the reason why the horse is in the life of these northern Bedouins (even now) It has a central role
The horse was the totem of the Indo-European peoples, including the Aryans
Horse plays a key role in Avesta…The horse was sacrificed both by the ancient Indians, by the ancient Persians and by the ancient Romans
I suggest you look at the series of lectures by Dr. Kenneth Harl, a professor at Tulane University, under the title "The barbarian empires of the steppes".
Anyway, the line was first invented in Egypt, not by the people who went back and forth
We want to use your argument, so Turks are not aggressors either…Because going and coming back.. while the Pan-Iranists have a strange interest in knowing the Turks as invaders
People like you are hurting yourselves
Because the ancient Abiras before Islam were not Aryan and were taken from Aramaic Abiras
Aramaic is also a Semitic language
Did you make up a series of lies to say that it was not a quiet line?
In Pierre Bryan's book- Natal Khanlari- Atabaki-Arthur Christian Sen emphasized that the administrative language of the Persian land was Elamite and the language used by the aristocratic class of the Near East was Aramaic.…Both languages use Aramaic script for writing
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Administrative relations in the Achaemenid Empire were apparently carried out using Aramaic script and language. Since the end of the 5th century BC, several administrative letters in Aramaic have been found on leather, which are related to the Persian governor of Egypt named Arsham.. In these letters and other Aramaic writings that were discovered in Egypt, there are many words adapted from Persian or their literal translation.. Aramaic language and script were written on leather or papyrus with pen and ink.
The documents of the treasury of the royal palace in Persepolis, which number nearly 3000, are written in Elamite language on clay tablets, and so far only a small part of them have been read and translated..
But the Persian language was used only to record the great and brilliant works of the Achaemenid emperors and to commemorate the power and greatness of the Persians.. Before the Iranians, there was a custom that the kings and rulers of the countries would write the description of their conquests and important works on the stones as a souvenir for the survivors..
The most detailed and important ancient Persian works are from Darius I, which is mostly associated with Babylonian and Elamite texts.. There are five short writings left by Dariush's predecessors in ancient Persian language.
The documents of the reign of Darius and Xerxes indicate the widespread spread of Aramaic in the palaces of satrapies, Persepolis, Babylon, Egypt, Sardis and Daskolion up to the plateau of Iran.. However, Aramaic administrative publication has not replaced the use of local languages.
Apart from a few rare exceptions, the tablets were written in Elamite language, which was the language of the Anshan and Shush palaces..
The Greek immigrants who settled in the countries of Iran under the orders of Alexander and his successors were considered the custodians of the Greek language for a long time.. The Parthian kings show a fondness for the Greek language and literature, some of which was deliberate and apparent and to comply with "fashion".. Phil Helen's nickname (Greece friend) What do you want first? (Mehrdad) decided, all his descendants used it, and in addition, they also mentioned other Greek attributes in their mosques, such as "Oergets" (the benefactor) and "Dikaios" (Adel). The style of Parthian mosques in the first period of their reign was completely Greek. A few inscriptions of the Parthian kings written in Greek still remain. Little by little, Greek left. Especially after the first century AD, as if it is the promise of revival of Iranian civilization. Despite this, the use of the Greek language remained in some parts of Iran, and the first Sassanid emperors were on the side of the Sassanid Pahlavi. (Middle Persian) and Parthian (PKK)For some time, they used Greek language and script in some of their inscriptions.
These two languages, which are usually called North-West dialect and South-west dialect, have been carefully studied today and have gained knowledge of their grammar, syntax and phonetics.. This accurate information has made scientists able to follow the influence of the Parthian language on the Sasanian side, and it is clear that the influence of the language is a sign of the influence of the Parthian civilization on the Sasanian civilization.. Many words, which are related to religious, political and social concepts, or the names of weapons and means of communication, medical terms and common expressions, even some common verbs, which are popular in the Sasanian and current Persian languages, have preserved their Parthian form.. Many of the exceptional cases in phonetics that are considered against the rule are the result of the influence of northern accent words in the vocabulary of the southwestern language, which became the official language of the country after the rise of the Sassanids..
In the early Sassanid period, the inscriptions of the kings were written in Middle Persian, Parthian and Greek.. However, the use of the Greek language became obsolete from the time of Narseh. Later, Parthian also lost its position as an administrative language, but in the eastern parts of the Sasanian Empire, which was considered the origin of the Parthians, it continued to exist as a written and spoken language.. In addition, many Parthian aristocrats who served the Sassanids after the extinction of the Parthian government spoke the Parthian language, including the seven Parthian families that had great power to the extent that sometimes one of their members rebelled against the Sassanid king..
Since ancient times, Iranians had formed a dynastic society that was based on four parts in terms of territorial divisions. In Western Iran, the dynastic basis of the society was partially hidden under the layer that was taken and adapted from the Babylonian civilization.. The Achaemenid Empire was the successor to the Assyrian, Babylonian, and Elam kingdoms.
By the Parthians, the power of the monarchy was transferred from the west of Iran to the north of this country, and the people there had kept the Iranian traits purer.. Therefore, the Parthian government, despite its Greek color, was purer than the Achaemenid government in terms of Iranianness.
Although Middle Persian was the mother tongue of the Sasanian dynasty, it was considered a minority spoken language in the Sasanian empire.. Middle Persian speakers were the majority only in Pars. Also, dialects of Middle Persian were common in Media and its surrounding areas.
In addition to Farsi, Azari and its Tati dialect were spoken in Azerbaijan. Dilmi and Gilki in Gilan and Tabari (Mazandani) in Tabaristan (Mazandaran) It was common.
In the regions under the rule of the Sassanids in the Caucasus, several languages were spoken, including Georgian, various Kartuli languages. (Especially in Lazistan)Middle Persian, Armenian, Caucasian Albanian, Scythian, Greek.
Several languages were spoken in Khuzestan. Farsi was spoken in the north and east and Aramaic in the rest of the province. New Elamite was also spoken in this province (Regarding New Elamite, according to Muslim historians, a dialect of Elamite was spoken under the name Khozi until a few centuries ago.).
in Meshan (Modern southern Iraq and Kuwait)Arameans together with Arabs (which were called Mishani Arabs), nomadic Arabs and Nabataean and Palmyraean traders formed the Semitic population of the region.
Iranians had also started to settle in this area along with the Zats who were Indian exiles. Malays also lived as captives or sailors in parts of this province.
in Assyria (The heart of Iranshahr, where Tisophon was located, is now northern Iraq and eastern Syria) The majority of people were Aramaic-speaking Nestorian Christians, and Persians, Jews and Arabs were in the minority in this province.
As a result of the Scythian and Alan attacks on Azerbaijan, Armenia and other regions of the Caucasus, a small Iranian-speaking population was also settled in the Caucasus..
Parti and other Iranian dialects and languages were spoken in Khorasan. Sogdian, Bactrian, and Khwarazmi were spoken in the more distant regions, which were sometimes out of Sassanid control..
In the south and in the region of Sistan, which faced the migration of the Scythians during the Parthian period, the Sistan language was spoken..
The residents of Kerman were Iranian-speaking people whose language was very similar to Persian. In the more eastern parts and the provinces of Paradan, Turan and Makran, Balochi and non-Iranian languages were common..
Latin, Greek and Syriac were spoken by Roman and Byzantine prisoners of war in major cities such as Jundi Shapur and Tisophon.. Slavic and German were also spoken by the Roman captive soldiers.
The Semitic, Hamiri and Sabai languages were also spoken in Yemen, which was under the control of the Sassanids at that time..
Saturday, chair, rhinoceros, bell, Jew, synagogue, wick, cross, crucifix, mulberry, shida, peacock, nasut, tambourine (Musical instrument), Gober, Dome, Qamqmeh, Gore, Trumpet, Priest, Kabise, Katira, Kiana, Gunya, Yalda, Dir, Mosque (In Middle Persian, it was called Mazget and was used for Zoroastrian temples), Musk, Nasrani, Phil, Zeitoun, Jizia, Masih, Nekir (Do not deny), Susan, coffin, plum, sumac, cover, clock, office, furnace, tubi, hell, rabbi, theology, Amen, magazine, center, match, stork, linen, house (This word was used to refer to the position of heavenly bodies in Middle Persian, and its usage has changed in modern Persian.), prescription (Nesk = book in Middle Persian), kebab, basin, ziggurat, wizard, time, table, oven, religion, bitumen, oil, Asia, Europe, court, secretary, body
Many letters of the Pahlavi alphabet can be read in several ways. For this reason, the readers have made mistakes and doubts in reading the old works. In addition, many words even from common and common meanings with thinkers (ideogram) They wrote in Aramaic, that is, instead of some words, they put Aramaic words in the book, but in reading, they changed it to Farsi.. Only after some thinkers, they added Iranian identifiers, especially in verbs.
Among the Semitic words, Aramaic language became popular all over ancient Asia, which was common in the courts of Achaemenid emperors, and because cuneiform was not easily used in writing except for writing inscriptions, Achaemenians adopted Aramaic script and even wrote documents. which is in Persian, they wrote with that script. The origin of the Pahlavi script and the custom of writing Aramaic words and translating their Persian meaning into the Persian language originated from here..
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Manichaean and Sogdian alphabet derived from Syriac alphabet
The Arabic alphabet is derived from the Nabataean alphabet
The Avestan alphabet is derived from the Pahlavi alphabet
The Pahlavi-Syriac-Nabatean alphabets are all derived from the Aramaic alphabet.
The Aramaic alphabet and the Greek alphabet themselves are derived from the Phoenician alphabet…The Phoenician language belongs to the Semitic language branch
In a way, the Phoenician alphabet is the mother of all modern scripts (Except for the cases in the Far East which are derived from Chinese and Divangari script) LT is
Now, how can the modern Persian script, which has only 4 prepositions compared to the Arabic alphabet taken from the Nabataean alphabet, be called Aryan?
The contents of this article are completely wrong and not intended to mislead the audience, as if the author of this text wrote this text out of prejudice and ignorance.
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⚄ Professor Ebrahimpour Davood, Iranologist, Avesta scholar, first Persian translator of Avesta and professor of ancient Iranian culture and Avesta language of Tehran University, Book of Ancient Iranian Culture, page 102:
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“Scripts that have been popular in Iran since ancient times, from cuneiform, Aramaic, and Pahlavi to Avesta script. (Secretary religion) #There was no native of this land and everyone came to this land from foreign lands and from neighboring countries. (Sammy) Fars came from Achaemenid and from that language reached Pahlavi, and from Pahlavi it has been preserved in Persian.. It should be remembered that before the Iranians settled in this land and established a great kingdom, they were in contact with two large and powerful neighboring governments from the West.: One of them was Babylon, which was the first kingdom (1926-2225 A.H. M) It was created around twenty-three centuries BC, and the other kingdom of Assyria was established around the year one thousand eight hundred (۱۸۰۰) reached the era in the north of present-day Iraq”
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All the lines attributed to Farsi are written in Aramaic and Arabic script; All lines are foreign and none of them are indigenous to Persian culture, there is no Persian line
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Cuneiform [From the Semitic Babylonians]
Parthian side line [from peace]
Sassanid side line (Middle Persian) [from peace]
Eastern side line [from peace]
Manichean line [from peace]
Sogdian script [from Syriac (Eastern Aramaic/Syria)]
Avestan line (Dean is the teacher) [from peace]
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Iranians were so eager to open their country that they didn't have a chance to invent a line. Cuneiform from the Babylonians, then Aramaic and finally Arabic. Of course, in the last case, they themselves were conquered!
The main point in the words of Darius I in the Biston inscriptions is where he says "the original was in the ancient Aryan language and on the skin" and it is unclear what he is talking about, his genealogy and which script? Another question is about Zarathushtra's songs, that it is not possible that these songs remained in the form of memorization and without a record of the central literary center of Bon recording until the end of the Sassanid dynasty, except to say that there was a cuneiform or Aramaic script, which were definitely recorded, or completely. were composed during the Sassanid era. Because the inscriptions are in Elamite, Aramaic and Akkadian.
Thanks for this interesting and readable article. By the way, I was also looking for resources on this topic, and it's amazing to me how many resources there are on the Internet. (Especially in English) It is little, incomplete and full of distortions or completely personal and undocumented opinions. I enjoyed reading this post. If possible, I would enjoy it even more if you could provide the sources to the reader.
It was very great, stay alive, I will definitely download the PDF file and read it many times, you wrote very completely and accurately, yes friends, it is said in the Quran. : The Arabic language, the Arabic script, the origin of the script was in Iran, because Iranians are literate, and the script in Iran dates back to many years ago, and this itself confirms the authenticity of the fact that the origin of the script was Persian, not Arabic, even the order Arabic language was compiled by Iranians . I am proud that the words of Almighty God are in the script that my fathers were the inventors of . Many greetings
It means that you said that compiling the Arabic grammar in Iran was a joke
I think you are telling us that the Arabs did not speak Arabic before arriving in Iran
The grammar of each language and the order of the words are observed by the speakers of that language and during the evolution of that language
Mr. Abi, you, who consider yourself an academic, do not know that spoken language is different from written language
It is in the Quran, which is in Arabic, so what do you have to do with written letters?
sham on you……..
The characteristic of the existing documents is that the Persian letters are taken from the Kufi script, and the PJG is taken from the BZKJ, and this shows that, on the contrary, this case does not fit with sound knowledge, it is very simple.
Hi : Dear Sir, please refer to the Holy Qur'an, the book of Muslims. God has said in this holy book that we have sent it down in eloquent Arabic language and then explain this research along with the distortions. . In addition, refer to the charter of Koresh and ask them to use Persian letters in their charter and there was no need for them to use cuneiform for the charter. . Until later, the Arabs claim that the letters are Arabic, that is, they deceive the apparently non-scientific words and writings of Iranians to such an extent that we call these false myths research. . Dear ones, please pay attention to the fact that today's racists are very bigoted and blind-mouthed to the point where they reject all the theories of the archeologists of the Pahlavi era and go beyond them and write distortions that even directly contradict the Quran of Muslims and Muslim Iranians. has it . When they don't accept the parts of the books and domestic and foreign sources that introduce Cyrus that show Cyrus's weakness, and even go beyond the nationalists of Reza Shahi's era, they write lies and distortions that really make people cringe? In the most severe period of antiquarianism, which was carried out by Pahlavi, they tried their best and said that Pezhach is the original Aryan, so that Dr. Afshar Yazdi, who ( He is a descendant of Turk Afsharis )Anti-Turk and Pan-Persian called himself the son of his direct origin Kursh, or Seyyed Ahmad Kasravi, who carries the holy title of Seyyed, called himself an original Aryan, even his work reached the point where he called himself a prophet, or other self-sellers and Pahlavi affiliates of many books. They wrote in praise of Cyrus and Arya, but they didn't bring the obscenity and distortion to such a point that Adam would pull out a horn, and they didn't blame God Almighty, and they didn't reach the limit of their prophet. Now, in this period, Mr. Aaydin Muslimi and others have brought the distortion to a certain point. who know Arabic letters and the Arabic language from the Persian language, at least don't get confused with Internalmal, in all internalmal writings, they consider Persian language under the branch of Arabic language, and besides, Mr. Aydin, you don't know that your name has Turkish roots and Your family, which is a Muslim, has Arabic roots, or do you want me to underline the words of your entire article, one by one, and say which Arabic roots, which Turkish roots, which French roots, and how many Persian roots . مرد مومن از خود کورش هم کوروشی تر شده ای کوروش در زمان حاکمیتش هم عقلش به آجا نرسید که منشورش را با زبان فارسی بنویسد که با خط میخی نوشت یا تو از رضا شاه و کوروش آریایی تر شده ای در دوران بروبیای ملی گرایی امثال کسروی سید و افشار یزدی تورک و دیگر هم قطاران آنها که تزهای شدید فارس گرایی می دادند به طوری که با تحدید و ارعاب و زور و اسلحه و تنبیه و تشویق و همه آنها تما توان شان را در جهت فارسیلاسیون کردن ایران اجرا نمودند هیچ کدام ادعای تمام کذبی همانند یاوه سرایی این چنینی نکردند و واقعا بعضی مواقع چنان از کوره در می روم که بروم و مدارک دانشگاهی ام را پاره پاره نمایم که خدایا در این مملکت چگونه تدریس می شود که یک فردی ادعای دانشگاهی دارد و چنان افکار بیهوده و تهی به دست می آورد که با دلیل و استدلال علمی و منطقی را به هم می بافد و ۲+ ۲ = را می نویسد ۱۵ و یک عده هم می نشینند و به این فرد به به و چه چه می گویند و هیچ تعقل هم نمی کنند که بابا ۲+۲=۴ عزیزان اکثر ما مسلمان هستیم یا به واقع و یا به ریا یک گلام الله قرآن مجید در خانه داریم یک با هم شده متن فارسی و ترجمه شده آن را نه برای صواب بلکه برای اینکه ببینیم چه نوشته است مطالعه نماییم ببینیم یا قرآن در رابطه با زبان عربی چه گفته است ؟ و یا از متخصصین زبان عربی و قرآن بپرسیم ببینیم که واقع ماجراچیست ؟ واقعا انسان از نظر نزاد پرستی باید به جایی برسد که حتی دین و عقل را به طور کلی کنار بگذارد؟ باور بفرمایید ملی گراها و نژاد پرستان را که اکنون می بینم مرا وادار می کند که بروم و بر دستان منحرف و وابسته پهلوی و هم قطاران لااُبالی آنها که تمام توان خود را گذارده بودن که فرهنگ اسلامی ایران را به آریایی برگردانند ببوسم و در سر قبر رضا شاه بگویم که رضا شاه و سید احمد کسروی و دکتر افشار یزدی و تمام باستان گرایان بیدار شوید و ببینید چه گندی به تاریخ ایران زده اید که منابع درسی تاریخ شما چه بیرون می دهد . A handful of racist superstitions who use these articles to destroy Iran's reputation among different nations are completely distorted with these articles. . God forbid there will be people who have youthful enthusiasm and do not know enough about history, that if they fall into this dirty Aryan swamp, they will surely drown. .
Dear friend, do you call all opposition racists so easily?
pun? A scientific research, dear friend, based on your reliable sources, what are your sources? Based on which document do you label with such determination?!
This is a scientific article, if you can, answer it with scientific sources and approved books!
You haven't even read the text!
You are confident in your words, so why are you afraid of publishing scientific articles? The reader reads and compares himself! You live in a world where you are not dealing with a blind audience, sir
At least, you didn't agree with the Inter-American League. In all the international writings, the Persian language is considered as a sub-branch of the Arabic language. Mr. University professor (As you said ) This is not mentioned in any international reference !!! Rather, the Persian language is one of the classical languages of the world – By emphasizing this one small point, you can understand the correctness of your entire writing!
Instead of expressing emotions and prejudice, discuss scientifically!
Well, before the cuneiform script, Iranian kings also used pictorial script. What does it have to do with two thousand years later and the Sassanid era and the calligraphy at that time?! Oh God, who are they talking about science and research with? Well, you weren't so ignorant that now no one had to say that it was like this and that it wasn't like that. .
****** You don't know the difference between calligraphy and language. Arabic is a language, but calligraphy is a writing style. How illiterate are you?. According to Dr. Shariati, the biggest attackers to Islam are illiterates who defend badly.
Dear friend. The brutal attack of the Arabs on the Persians is not hidden from anyone.
Document of Hadiths of Balazri and Tabari and…. It is invalid because the credibility of narrators is a condition in analytical history
Hello friends and Mr. Hamed
First of all, I apologize for the late reply . Unfortunately, I have little time these days and I am very sad that I cannot properly answer the discussion and the chatter in the required time, because the discussion with the opponents and supporters about historical issues helps to better and multilateral understanding of the parties about historical issues..
However, in the continuation of the discussions, the sources of Tabari's history are very wide, and as mentioned, Tabari extracted each part of the history from specific sources and wrote all of them without touching them. Regarding Iran, he benefited from Hisham Kalbi's history and Ibn Muqfa's history. It is because these people were closer to the wars of Iran and the Arabs that I considered their statements closer to the truth than others, although they should be compared with other historical sources and their weaknesses and mistakes should be found and identified. In some places, Tabari has fundamental problems because he has also used unreliable sources, but if we want to talk about the correctness of his words in a historical event, we must know that other historians, whether before, after, or at the same time as him, regarding historical works. What have they said? For example, at the same time as Tabari, Balazri can be mentioned. Like Tabari, Balazri talks about the crimes of the Arabs and in some cases about the conversion to Islam and the surrender of some Iranian cities.. So you can trust what most historians have cited, and that means by establishing a connection between the writings of Balazri and Tabari, you can understand the truth or falsity of the mentioned topics, because a historical topic is important when several historians have mentioned it. and present more or less the same narrations.
Both Tabari and Balazri mentioned the crimes of the Arabs and some of their good deeds. But according to Balazri's definition, Mr. Hamed says that the Iranians joined forces again in the Nahavand war to eradicate Islam.!!!!!!!!1 This speech is obviously wrong, although the author meant something else by this speech . Because Iran did not attack Saudi Arabia even at the height of its power to overthrow the religion of Islam. This speech shows that the Iranians were preparing to defend their land and it cannot be said that they wanted to fight to overthrow Islam because it was the Arabs who attacked Iran in the beginning, not Iran against the Arabs..
But in the following, the definition of crime is very easy. Perhaps the clash of two armed forces cannot be considered a crime, but certainly the clash and war of armed forces with unarmed people after victory and their massacre is a crime..
A Jew and a Muslim were quarreling
As he got a laugh from his hadith
He told Tayreh that Muslim Green is my deed
It's not true, God, I drive a Jew
The Jew said, I swear by the Torah
If I do something wrong, just like you are a Muslim, the reason will be destroyed from the simple earth
Do not think that I am ignorant
Saadi
Greetings to friends and to Mr. Hamed
First of all, I apologize for the late reply, because I was busy in the first days of the week and did not have the necessary energy and time..
But in the continuation of the discussions:
Mr. Hamed said that we should not discuss the verses of the Qur'an because the topic is a game and any interpretation can be taken from it. This is true, although in some cases it is possible to analyze the verses of the Qur'an very carefully and extract some information from them, but I do not agree with Mr. Hamed. I am sorry for this, because they themselves used the verses of the Holy Quran to prove some of their statements, and now they say that the Quran should not be used.!
But then you mentioned the topic of Dhul-Qarnain and stated that you are against Dhul-Qarnain being Cyrus the Great, it should be said that this issue should be discussed separately due to the breadth of the topic and discussion, and if you wish, we can discuss it on the page related to Dhul-Qarnain on the site, but I I believe that I said appropriate and appropriate things in the discussion with my dear friend, Mr. Critic, and there is no need to say them again. I think that you have also read them. let's talk.
But in the continuation and analysis of Mr. Hamed's writings, the historians expressed very valuable and useful things, and I agree with the majority of their words..
Mr. Hamed stated that everything that is in the book of historians did not necessarily happen and its dimensions may have been exaggerated or the source of the historian is wrong and a thousand other factors. He accepted that his words are very true and anyone who wants to know something about history should always look at the material with a critical and thoughtful perspective..
Next, they examined the writings of the great historian Tabari, which was very interesting and readable.
But I missed a few things that I will mention.
First, Mr. Hamed said that Tabari mentioned all the material without thinking and only by hearing that some of them do not have reliable sources..
His words are completely correct and Tabari himself mentions this in the beginning of his book.
Tabari's book of history is a great book that talks about the history and ancient times of Iran and the periods before and after Islam..
When mentioning Islamic periods, especially during the time of the Prophet until the event of Ashura, Tabari's book is criticized by many in terms of sources, and some say that the sources and the people he quoted from them were incorrect people..
But we have to see what sources Tabari mainly used about the history of Iran?
Tabari more than the written works from the first half of the first century to the first half of the third century(05 to 052 AH)He sought profit and did not benefit from the works of his contemporaries. (the universe of thought,No. 52,P. 96).
In the history of Iran, the translation of Iranian books into Arabic, especially the books of "Ibn Muqfa" and "Hisham Kolbi" and what was compiled from the information and information and the documents of "Hira" that reached him.
In the following, it should be seen what kind of books such as Ibn Muqafa's book and Hisham Kolbi's book, which were Tabari's sources about Iran, are?
Rozbapour Dadwieh known as Abu Muhammad Abdullah Ibn Muqafa (Born in 104 in Firozabad - died in 142 AH in Baghdad) He was an Iranian writer and translator and a resident of Basra. He was also known by the nickname "Abi Muhammad".. Ibn Muqafa is one of the most prominent representatives of scientific thought in the second century of Hijri
As mentioned above, Ibn Muqafa is almost 200 years closer to the time of the Arab invasion of Iran than Tabari. It is more likely that what he said is true.
But Hisham Kolbi was also one of the other sources of Tabari. He was an Arab historian who wrote about ancient Iran and the Arabs of the Jahili period until his own year, i.e. 204 AH, and he was 100 years closer to the events of the Arab attack than Tabari..
These books are considered basic and main sources due to their proximity to the incident. Therefore, their value and credibility as well as the probability of being correct are much higher.
Although in the end, it cannot be said that 100% of what Tabari said about Iran and also 100% of his sources were correct, but especially regarding the history of Iran, considering the sources used by Tabari, we can trust him more, even though he should never have written accepted without analysis.
But an article from a historian is of interest when other historians present a similar narrative, for example, in the history of Herodotus, we do not accept the part that contradicts the stone inscriptions and the writings of Xenophon and to some extent Ctesias, for example, the discussion about childhood to youth And Cyrus finding his way to the palace has a legendary status and is not very reliable.
Now we have material from other historians such as Balazri, who wrote more or less the same material as Tabari's history..
Ahmed bin Yahya Balazori, his full name ( Abu al-Hasan Ahmad bin Yahya bin Jaber bin Dawood al-Baghdadi al-Baladhuri ) He was born in Baghdad at the end of the second century AH.
He was one of the Iranian historians and geographers of the 2nd and 3rd centuries AH who lived in Baghdad and was a translator of Persian books into Syriac.. Yaqut Hamavi praised him a lot. Since his ancestor or himself (Not specified) He had eaten blazar and became sick, he was called blazar. "Blazar" is the name of a fruit that grows in India and its fruit is used in medicine..
He was almost the same as Tabari.
Fatuh al-Baldan is a book written by Ahmad bin Yahya Balazri. An important part of this book is related to Iran.
The Fatuh al-Baldan book is the last major book that has reached us about Muslim conquests. Some consider this book superior to all the books that have been written around the subject. As Masoudi says in Moruj al-Zahb:[۱]
We don't know a better book than Balazri's book about conquest.
Balazri has received help from most of the books that were written before him, as well as from an innumerable group of elders, scholars and narrators.. His most important references were Hossein bin Aswad Kofi, Qasim bin Salam, Muhammad bin Saad Katb Waqidi, Ali bin Muhammad Madaini, Amr bin Muhammad Naqd and Abbas bin Hisham Kalbi.[۱]
The basis of writing books such as Fatuh al-Baldan and basically Fatuh type in Muslim historiography, especially in the 2nd century AH, was a kind of administrative and tax need.. In the framework of Islamic laws, it was very important to know which land was conquered by Muslims by force or by peace, because according to how it was conquered, the subordinate tribes had to pay tribute, jizya, or tithe.. In this way, a type of history writing related to the history of Muslim conquests was created, one of the most famous of which is Fatuh al-Baldan.[۲
Now you can see that the historians of Tabari's time also said almost the same things that Tabari said and you can trust their words more..
However, as we move away from the year of the incident, the sources become less reliable and are usually taken from earlier sources, for example, Mr. Hamed said that a book like the history of Sistan, which was written in the 7th and 8th centuries, may have used Tabari's history..
This statement is completely correct and there is a possibility of this, but it should also be noted that the book that has most of its contents from Tabari's history is the book of Balami's history. .
But as Mr. Hamed pointed out, it is not possible to say that they are facts without thinking and reasoning.
But this point does not mean that Arabs have not committed any crime in Iran . In the Islamic chronicles of the Arab era, both goodness and crime have been mentioned. Assuming that half of the historians' writings are wrong, the stain of Arab crimes will not be removed from their laps. It cannot be said that the Arabs have not done anything constructive.
Of course, considering the crimes that we know from the Arabs against the people of Iran today and even the crimes that the Arabs commit against themselves, the violent behavior combined with crime and bloodshed during the Arab attack on Iran is not far from the mind. .
In the end, I must emphasize the same statement of Mr. Hamed who said that it should be looked at with a critical view, that both the crimes mentioned by the Arabs and their constructions should be treated with a critical and logical view..
Thanks to my dear friend, Mr. Korosh, I will answer several of your questions one by one, I hope the answer will be correct. 1- Regarding the verses of the Qur'an, I have not used them, I do not even answer the questions in which the verses of the Holy Qur'an have been used, and I mentioned this explicitly in this discussion and in the discussion about Dhul-Qarnain. 2- In creating a new discussion. Regarding whether or not Dhul-Qarnain was Cyrus the Great, from the discussions that Mr. Khorasani made there, it was proved with complete truth and based on the words of Mr. Shamshad that Cyrus is not Dul-Qarnain - but about who he could be, there is a lot of discussion from the commentators. Up to the history of interpretation and evidence, one can refer to Quranic verses, understanding religious worldview, history of nations, poems of ignorance and many other things. God willing, I will write an answer at the right time, but rest assured that in the answer I write, I will only refer to your words. Let's not get into the areas that are not our expertise. However, I am also busy. 3- Regarding Tabari's citation of Ibn Muqafa and Hisham Kolbi, you should also know that Tabari has cited individuals in every section, as I said, the narrators quoted in Tabari's history have also been criticized.. For example, "Saif bin Umar Al-Tamimi" is one of the narrators that Tabari cited a lot, while many of his narrations are distorted in terms of authenticity.. In his book "150 Fake Companions", Allamah Mohagheg Zindyad Seyyed Morteza Askari has criticized Saif Ibn Umar and rejected his traditions with rational and narrative reasons.:>۱. In the history of the prophets, the books of Tafsir and Sirah of Ibn Ishaq and the books of "Wahb bin Manba".
۲. In the history of Iran, the translation of Iranian books into Arabic, especially the books of "Ibn Muqafa" and "Hisham Kolbi" and the compiled information and the documents of Hirah that came into his hands..
۳. In the Prophet's biography, he relied on the compilations of Aban bin Uthman, Urwa bin Zubair, Sharhbil bin Saad, Musa bin Uqbah, Asim bin Umar, Ibn Shihab Zuhri, and Ibn Ishaq..
۴. He narrated the news of the battle and conquest from Saif bin Umar.
۵. In the wars of Jamal and Safin, he relied on the writings of Abu Makhnaf, Madaini and Saif bin Omar.
۶. The history of the Umayyads is taken from Awana bin Hakam, Abu Makhnaf, Madaini, Waqidi, Omar bin Shuba and Hisham Kolbi..
۷. He took the history of the Abbasids from the books of Ahmad bin Abi Khaytmah. (۱۰۶- 142 AH) They wrote only about the history of Iran before Islam and the wars of Islam(The beginning of Islam, wars in Iran, wars after Islam) have been quoted from other people. As you may know, Ibn Muqafa is the author and translator of Pahlavi works into Arabic.. And they don't have any books about Islamic wars.((Kalila wa Dimna
-Great literature
– Little literature and logic
Seral Maluk (Arabic translation of Khudanameh)
-Tensor letter
Wonders of Sajistan (Translation of Segistan Reiki) which he mainly translated from Middle Persian to Arabic.
-The precious jewel and the hidden jewel
– Mazdak
Barry Terminias
Analysis - analysis
regulations- In the customs of the Persians
Al-Taj - in the life of Anu Sharvan
Isagogi - Introduction
Sami militia and the country of Hussam and Imrani Nofal
– The message of the companions))As he can see, he has written a book about the kings of Iran and their customs and habits, and with your words you have confirmed Tabari's words about the kings of Iran and their customs.!!!!!!! And Mr. Hisham Kolbi is also a historian who researched the Arabs of the Jahili period (((The book of examples of Arabs – Arab markets – Al-Jamahra fi Nasab or Kitab al-Nasab al-Kabir – Kitab Ansab al-Khil or Kitab Nasab Fahul al-Khil, in Al-Jahiliyyah and Islam – Kitab Al-Asnam, which is the description of Al-Asnam (Overturning concrete) have also read ))) This servant of God has said about everything, even about the race of horses, he is ignorant, and he has written a book about Islam, except the wars of Islam!!!! So you about the fact that Tabari told these gentlemen, that is, Abu Muhammad Abd Allah Ibn al-Maqfa'a (۱۰۶- 142 AH) Author and translator of Pahlavi works into Arabic and Hisham Kolbi (He died in 204 AH) You are a well-known Arab historian, and you also think that Tabari's reference to these gentlemen is correct. I hope you remember this article, maybe in some discussions I will bring up things that you believe and know to be correct!!!(((Let me also say that Tabari's history started a new era in Islamic historiography and left a great impact on historians, such as Ibn Athir, Ibn Kathir and Ibn Khaldoun, who have greatly benefited from Tabari's history in their history.)))۴- Regarding the conquest of the countries, I accept the writings of Mr. Ahmed bin Yahya Balazri, and in the above discussion, I brought a case from him about the Nahavand War. I will mention the wars and their causes and fate because this book is more coherent than the others. Your reference to this book is very interesting.. This is one of the best historical books that I have ever read. Remember that you cited this book as quoted by Masoudi in Moruj al-Zahb. :
Regarding Fatuh, we don't know a better book than Belazari's book. Because this book has many interesting things.. I suggest you read it. 5- In the history of Sistan, saying that Balami's history is partially indebted to Tabari, I must say that Balaimi's history is a translation of Tabari's history by Abu Ali Muhammad bin Muhammad Balami into Persian prose, and it is generally a translation of Tabari's history, not indebted to it.!!!۶- About your words ((( But as Mr. Hamed pointed out, it is not possible to say that they are facts without thinking and reasoning.
But this point does not mean that Arabs have not committed any crime in Iran . In the Islamic chronicles of the Arab era, both goodness and crime have been mentioned. Assuming that half of the historians' writings are wrong, the stain of Arab crimes will not be removed from their laps. It cannot be said that the Arabs have not done anything constructive.
Of course, considering the crimes that we know from the Arabs against the people of Iran today and even the crimes that the Arabs commit against themselves, the violent behavior combined with crime and bloodshed during the Arab attack on Iran is not far from the mind. .
In the end, I must emphasize the same statement of Mr. Hamed who said that it should be looked at with a critical view, that both the crimes mentioned by the Arabs and their constructions should be treated with a critical and logical view.))) The fact that you confirmed my words is a sign of your realism. But the stain of crime is something that needs to be defined and what kind of crime was committed and the reason for the crime should also be defined. The ignorant hostility of Iraq should say that Iran is an aggressor and has committed a crime. For example, the case I brought to you was that when the bodies of the martyrs of the divers were found, the BBC said that these people were in Iraqi territory and are considered aggressors, and what were they doing in Iraqi territory. Yes, this is for those who They don't know anything about the history of the war. It is a reference and the fact that these martyrs were martyred in Iraq tells them that Iran was seeking war, but from your point of view, we know very well that the Karbala 4 operation was to end the war and that this science It was done for this reason, because there was no assurance to Saddam about the borders, and the best defense is to attack, as Imam Ali, peace be upon him, said, war in one's own soil is humiliating.(Say saying- The hadith is not complete)So the commanders should take the decision of the war to the territory of Iraq in order to have an upper hand in a war whose end is not known.. So, dear vector, the definition of crime is different. If you say that killing is a crime in any war on any side, then we should give the country to any aggressor and we should not defend it. It is the best book on history, you must read it in 100 pages. Read the reasons for the war and the history of the war and its events. And that the behavior of some Arab rulers today cannot be written into their history, because if the Arab people were not satisfied with their rulers, they would not rise and revolution, all Sunni and Shiite Muslims not only do not accept the Takfiris, but even the Wahhabis and their government. But it should be known that the Arab world is not like Iran, where they have one religion and one country, but in a country like Iraq, there are a thousand religions and a thousand nations, and harmonizing them is not everyone's job, especially when there are those among them who beat the drum of sedition like Now that you see, the Shia Arab people of Iraq are liberating the Sunni province of Anbar, and they know the hand of its ruler, and he is also easy, and they know the hand of ISIS, and day after day, and day after day. If Sunnis differ, this difference will be spread to the homes because Shia and Sunni have marriages and kinship with Shia, but they are safe from the drums of sedition and sedition everywhere, just like in our dear country, we had seditions. See what would happen if he smelled a little of their religion and ethnicity!!!!??? And I should also mention that ISIS and Al-Qaeda are neither Arabs nor Muslims, and God willing, with the appearance of the world's savior, all these seditions will return to their owners.!!!
Hello friends and Mr. Hamed
First, it is necessary to mention a few things.
First of all, we have no problem with Islam and we have accepted it as the most perfect religion in the world. However, we have a problem with justifying the Arab attack on Iran under the name of spreading Islam.. Because the sources show that at least most of the Arabs who attacked Iran were to gain wealth.
Second, because you are saying scattered things, it is difficult to draw conclusions about the disputed issues, and in this regard, it is possible to state a few main lines of disagreement..
But you constantly say that we don't understand anything about history and that we have a closed mind and it is useless for you to discuss with us, and you have not given any solid reasons and we are not aware of what you said.( we don't know) You do not inform .
For example, you stated that we must find the cause of the wars and killing of Iranians. And I accepted your word and told you the reason for the killing of Iranians based on the conclusions and the statements of the historians of that time.. But in your response, you deny the content and do not give a firm answer, for example, what was the reason for the war and the killing of Iranians in your opinion?!
Or, for example, you say((My brother, God is witness, you have no knowledge of history, nor of politics, nor of the social and religious culture of ancient Iran, before and after Islam, and today, so what am I going to discuss with you?)) And then you don't say anything to inform us about history, politics, culture and religion, and you just say that you don't know and the discussion is useless..
or you say((For example, I am talking about Islam, you are talking about Arabs)) In this regard, it should be said that the main topic of discussion was Arab crimes, not Islam, but because some like you want to use the umbrella of Islam to justify it, the topic was drawn to Islam and how it spread, but as I said at the beginning, we have no problem with Islam. We are proud of it.
Then you said that I avoid answering and keep jumping from one branch to another. But in my opinion, my content is coherent and I have given your answers in it. But if you believe that you did not receive an answer, simply quote the article and ask for a better and more comprehensive answer, and wherever you feel that I am rambling, point it out and ask for an answer..
Or you say it somewhere else((Why?!!! You say that the Arabs are bloodthirsty!!!It's interesting, I won't tell you about this because I know you're looking at it with a closed mind, I'll tell you, why?!!!!!؟؟؟؟؟؟))
You say I have a closed view. But it should be noted that I do not have a closed view and I am ready to listen and analyze the opinions of the opponents, in any case, I may make a mistake somewhere, and the opposing opinion will inform me of that mistake. I didn't hear you and you often answer on your own behalf and make generalizations.
But you said, why do I consider these as proofs? . Have you not read or heard them?
You also said ((I will go step by step to really reach the conclusion, but you will tell me once that you are Arab, it is already clear.)) May I ask you when and where you heard such a word from me?. I will never give such an answer because it is far from logic and it shows my inability to give a correct answer..
((You say once, no, our words are the truth and we were present in the wars ))
I do not claim that my words are the same as the truth and I have been in wars. As mentioned above, I am ready to find solid and documented material.
or you say((Now leave this alone, if you really read the Qur'an, take the verses that it says about Arabs - no Arabs, let alone go and understand - from Muslims and explain to me that Muslims are definitely not only Arabs.!!!I swear to God, if I talk for a thousand years, we will not reach a conclusion, because you have a closed view and you thank yourself, you say many times that we have brought this discussion here, you say it is interesting and we have reached a conclusion.!!!!)) I don't understand what you mean by this, please explain better.
But it should be noted that I believe in absolute blackness and absolute whiteness(Of course, apart from God and the prophets and the innocent) does not exist.
According to the above, it cannot be said that (All Arabs have been bloodthirsty and savage) Or it cannot be said that all Iranians were good people.
Based on this, Arabs have been praised in the Qur'an, and this is undeniable, but in other places, Iranians and other tribes and tribes have also been praised, for example, this text from the site((http://maarefquran.org/index.php/page,viewArticle/LinkID,9062?PHPSESSID=5096ea6417005c057f43184ff3f0317c))
Removed look.
۱٫ (A people other than you): (Here you are called upon to spend in the way of God, so among you is he who is stingy, and he who is stingy is only stingy on his own behalf, and God is riches and riches. Oh, and if you turn away, He will replace you with another people, and then they will not be like you.)(Mohammed: ۳۸); be aware! You are the people who are invited to spend in the way of God.
Some of you are stingy. Whoever is stingy is stingy to himself, and God is in need and you are all in need, and whenever you disobey, God will bring another group in your place.. So they will not be like you and spend generously in the way of God.
Qortubi, one of the famous commentators (AD 671 BC), is writing: When this verse was revealed, the Messenger of God was happy and said: This verse is more popular with me than the whole world. 5
The meaning of the sentence (Yastabdil qauma ghairakum) They are Iranians. Some commentators have also considered them as one of the possibilities of the verse. 6
It is mentioned in the hadith: When the Messenger of God(Peace and blessings of God be upon him) Noble verse (And if you take over) recited, the attendees said: O Messenger of God! Who are those who, if we reject God, will replace us and they will not be like us? The Messenger of God put his hand on Salman Farsi's thigh and said: This and his clan are. (then added:) If God's religion hangs from the star of Soraya, men from Persia will definitely reach it. 7
There are other examples on this site.
Based on this, the great God introduces the chosen men in his verses, those who are righteous. And according to the above rule, these people may be from Arabs, Iranians and other nations.
And because Iranians or Arabs are not defined in some places, it can be said that all Arabs and all Iranians were good and righteous people..
But we say Arabs are a symbol of oppression and violence. But this statement is mostly a slogan because we have witnessed great crimes in the history of our country by the Arabs..
These start from the time when the Arabs attacked Iran.
In your opinion, this attack was a right thing because it was for the spread of Islam.
But we believe that this attack was a wrong thing and the reason for it was the conquest and looting of other countries, not the spread of Islam.
Now the question must be answered, why do we think this way?
The previously mentioned historians are one of the reasons why I mention some of them below.
. (The history book of Sistan page 37, 80 - the complete history book volume 1 page 307)
.(Tabari's book of history; The fifth volume, page 1975)
(Ibn Balkhi's Farsnameh book; Page 116 - Tabari's book of history; The fifth volume, page 2011)
(Tabari's book of history; the fourth volume; Page 1491- The ten thousand year history book of Iran; The second volume, page 123
(Al-Futuh book page 223 - Shushtar's Tadzire book; Page 16)
. (Tabaristan history book page 183 - Royan history book; Page 69
(complete history book; Volume III; Page 208 and 303
(Al-Futuh book; Page 282)
(Tabari's book of history, volume 5, page 2116 - complete book of history; Volume III ; Page 178
.(Ibn Balkhi's Farsnameh book, page 135 - complete history book; The third volume, page 163
But let's take a look at whether the Arabs really came to Iran to spread Islam. And is the way to spread Islam is war and bloodshed or propagation and thinking?
Below are contents from two sites(Shia News) (The question of religions) I will bring you.
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(((((If the conversion of the people of Iran to Islam in other conquests was similar to the conversion of the people of Mada'an to Islam, their Islam is also accepted and confirmed by Islam, as history testifies that Omar's conquests were carried out by the sword, and the conquests of the people converted to Islam with an inner desire, there is no doubt that their tendency to It was because of their own health and that they were searching for the true religion. In this case, if there is any honor, this honor belongs to them, not to Umar bin Khattab, and if their faith was based on fear, terror, and force, it is not only a source of pride and pride for Umar and his followers. Rather, it becomes a source of embarrassment and shame for them, because confession and belief by force and reluctance is not acceptable and acceptable from the eyes of the Qur'an and Atrat.))))
((((((... then people's lives to war with Iraq(Iran)He called but the people did not pay attention to Omar's call and did not move from their place.:If you don't go to war, I will go alone. It was at this time that a group of the Azad tribe was moving to Iraq with the intention of fighting in Syria.(which was a part of Iran)He sent and encouraged them to take the spoils of Al Kasri
Fatuh al-Baldan Belazari page 253
Omar made a deal with Jarir over the spoils of Iran
During the war with Iraq, Jarir bin Abdullah came to Umar and made the condition of going to war to allocate a quarter of the spoils for himself and his group, and Umar accepted this condition. Then he left for Iraq.
Fatuh al-Baldan, Belazari, page 253, Waqdi history, Tabari history, and Ibn Athir history
The Prophet's order to Ali bin Abi Talib about the presentation of Islam before the war
The pious masters have said:When the Messenger of God(Peace be upon him)He sent me to Yemen:O Ali, do not fight with someone unless you have first offered Islam to him. Do not fight with someone before inviting him to Islam. I swear to God, if God guides a person by his hand to the right path, the reward will be better and more precious for you. It is from everything that the sun shines on from sunrise to sunset and you have control over it
O Ali, if God guides a person through you, his reward and reward will be better and more valuable for you than the world and what is in it.)))))
((((Now, a question from the youth who follow the truth
As it has been documented and substantiated, Omar's conquests were based on worldly decorations and material greed, and Islam and the Qur'an were on the sidelines, but you still say that the Iranians' Islam is indebted to the sword of the likes of Omar Ibn Khattab?
History does not remember the calamity that was brought upon Iranians
Saeed bin Marzban narrated that a man from the Anbas tribe who participated in Omar's war with the Iranians told me that on that day (War with the Iranians)A calamity and calamity has befallen the people of Iran that no nation or nation has ever been affected by. After the Iranian army was defeated and they were caught by Omar's army, it came to the point that one of Omar's army wanted an Iranian to his side, and when he came, he took his weapon and killed him!I will tell you even higher than this:(The calamity of Iranians from the troops of Umar bin Khattab reached that point) The soldiers called two Iranians and ordered one to kill his friend
Tarikh al-Umm al-Maluk Tabari, volume 4, page 135
This is how the Prophet of Islam deals with prisoners in some wars!؟
Yes, this act of Omar's troops was the answer to the same bread and halva that the noble and humanitarian people of Iran gave to Omar's troops.
A word with the Sunni brothers
On what basis did Omar's troops commit those illegal acts...?
In one of the wars, the Messenger of God (Peace be upon him ) He sent people to war to get booty!؟
He killed prisoners in one of the wars!؟
In one of the wars, the prisoners were ordered to kill their comrades!؟
In the first of the wars, he ordered people's personal property to be looted and taken as hostages!؟
In one of the wars, before going to war, he determined the share of their spoils!؟
In one of the wars, he ordered to kill someone who confessed to martyrdom!؟
Were Umar's conquests the same as the Prophet said to Ali bin Abi Talib?!؟
Is the answer to the bread and halwa of the Iranian people murder, robbery and crime?!؟))))
((((As documented and substantiated in the previous pages, Umar's conquests in Iran were not centered on God, the Prophet, and the Qur'an, but on the centrality of Al Kasri's spoils and material greed.))))
(((((The history of Islam shows that following these conquests, the ruling body, which was determined by the Caliph, did not take any effort to guide, educate and educate the people until the belief in Islam permeated them and became an ideological force. It should be able to enrich the souls of the defeated with Islamic concepts and characteristics and be effective in the development and evolution of human beings.. Although, within twenty years, the scope of Islam's influence expanded so that the Islamic land was several times the conquests of the Prophet of Islam(ص) became. But the differences between the conquests of the Prophet(ص) And the caliphs were from the earth to the sky, because the Holy Prophet(ص) In his conquests, he was not content with proclaiming his Muslim status and issuing martyrdoms and performing some Islamic rites and appearances superficially, but he sent teachers and trainers to the people of that country to guide them while teaching them the Book of God and correct beliefs and expressing religious rules. and preach.
However, in the conquests of the three caliphs, no plan was considered for educating and guiding the people, and no trained force was sent to the conquered lands to propagate religion and teach rules, and this important and vital issue was not given any importance..
In these conquests, they only asked those who surrendered to the oneness of God and the mission of the Prophet(ص) testify and perform some of the Islamic duties and rites outwardly and formally without it penetrating into their hearts, this is why I see that many areas that were conquered by Muslims returned to disbelief and rebellion after a short period of time..
the Holy Prophet(ص) He was commissioned by God to demand both Islam and faith from the people of his time, but the caliphs and Islamic conquerors only wanted a Muslim appearance from the people and that was it, and we clearly see this unforgivable negligence among the Quraysh and others. Even more companions of the Messenger of God(ص) They also adopted the same method. As Musa bin Yasar says: Companions of the Messenger of God(ص) They were harsh desert wanderers. We Iranians came here and made the religion of Islam pure.))))
((((Certainly, tax discounts have been effective in converting the lower classes to Islam (History of Iran, Spooler 1 : ۲۵۲) On the other hand, it should be noted that the Umayyads were also strict in that they did not grant this discount, and they also took jizya from new Muslims and blocked the growth of Islam for a while.. The story of this issue was such that it caused a protest in Khorasan, those who considered faith to be martyrs and did not accept the strictness of pilgrims and the Umayyad government regarding people's conversion to faith.))))))
From the above, we come to the conclusion that the main purpose of the Arabs was not to spread Islam, but to conquer countries and gain fertile lands..
Although Islam also spread superficially and apparently some Iranians became Muslims, but this conversion to Islam was forced and benefited from tax discounts or maybe to maintain a position..
But according to historians, the process of conversion of Iranians to Islam took 4 centuries, and during this time we witnessed the caliphate of Imam Ali(ع) His services and his new way of government, which made Iranians who had apparently converted to Islam and did not believe in it and did not know much about Islam, find a real inclination towards Islam and this religion will remain strong and strong in their lives forever. The imams sending people with high knowledge of Islam to promote Imam Sadiq's schools made the Iranians accept this religion, which was offered to them in the form of coercion and force, and this religion became permanent..
Since the Arabs who attacked Iran were not looking for the spread of Islam, they were looking for the opening of the country, and as you know, Islam is against the opening of the country..
So the names of those people who attacked Iran were outwardly Muslim and in practice and inwardly they had no belief in Islam and its values..
Although it is not possible to ignore some good actions during the time of the Arabs, such as not destroying some buildings and not destroying Gandi Shapur University, but historical evidence shows that the destructive aspect of the Arabs was higher than their constructive aspect and they did more destruction..
Therefore, it is not possible to justify the attack of the Arabs with the spread of Islam and say that they have done a good and right thing.
We have a problem with the Arabs because the crimes of the Arabs were more than the other governments that Iran had defeated, the crimes of the Arabs were more than Alexander and the Romans, and after this attack, the Iranians could not establish an independent government for centuries..
I request Mr. Hamed to read the above material and express his opinion
Sometimes the history can be obtained from excavations, for example, the Charter of Cyrus or the Laws of Hammurabi.
Of course, you should know the rules of the discussion, that you raised an issue and I rejected it, and you should provide evidence to prove it, not that you ask me questions.. Maybe I won't be able to use your opinions again, but I will try to give you an answer. Actually, one more thing, if you come, bring one of the wars of Sadr Islam, for example, the Khyber campaign, and then give your opinion, so that I know which one you are sensitive to and which one you are sensitive to. What is your opinion? What is the difference between war in Islam and non-Islam, and how were these wars with Iran before Islam, and how was it after Islam, and what is the difference between them, and what is Islam's opinion about war? This is necessary to talk about war, for example. BC says that the martyrs of Ghous were found in Iraq and they are aggressors, and what is your opinion and many other things. And someone like you should talk to you!!!Because Islam has strictly forbidden such debates, don't be like the others. I wish you and I were in the city and we could research this issue together and come to a conclusion using the science of consensus. I am not interested in debates at all. I don't like it, it creates the same problem that I can't always come to the site and read comments and give my opinion with references because I have to get my education. Let me mention a few things: Wahhabism is not part of Islam and ISIS is a subset of Wahhabism. Don't associate it with Islam, it's a lot of self-righteousness. Know the Companions of the Prophet and read and know the status of these honorable people.
Omar and Khaled bin Waleed and any other person or people who had non-Islamic conquests were certainly not good representatives for Islam and the Arabs.
These are not all Arabs
Also, as evidenced by history, people converted to Islam by paying jizya and a hundred years after the attack, and there was no compulsion
The sale of alcohol continued for many years after the attack, the calendars were still Zoroastrian, and the judges judged according to Zoroastrian rulings.
Mr. Hamed, now that you want to remove the trouble, let me tell you one thing, and that is that when you gave your first comment, you wrote - We are from the generation of Sam Ibn Noah, now what generation are you from? Yes, you entered only to cause division. In fact, your purpose in raising that question was division, and from the very beginning, you were looking for the whole, rather than a friendly discussion.
Hello friends and Mr. Hamed
First, it is necessary to mention a few things.
First of all, we have no problem with Islam and we have accepted it as the most perfect religion in the world. However, we have a problem with justifying the Arab attack on Iran under the name of spreading Islam.. Because the sources show that at least most of the Arabs who attacked Iran were to gain wealth.
Second, because you are saying scattered things, it is difficult to draw conclusions about the disputed issues, and in this regard, it is possible to state a few main lines of disagreement..
But you constantly say that we don't understand anything about history and that we have a closed mind and it is useless for you to discuss with us, and you have not given any solid reasons and we are not aware of what you said.( we don't know) You do not inform .
For example, you stated that we must find the cause of the wars and killing of Iranians. And I accepted your word and told you the reason for the killing of Iranians based on the conclusions and the statements of the historians of that time.. But in your response, you deny the content and do not give a firm answer, for example, what was the reason for the war and the killing of Iranians in your opinion?!
Or, for example, you say((My brother, God is witness, you have no knowledge of history, nor of politics, nor of the social and religious culture of ancient Iran, before and after Islam, and today, so what am I going to discuss with you?)) And then you don't say anything to inform us about history, politics, culture and religion, and you just say that you don't know and the discussion is useless..
or you say((For example, I am talking about Islam, you are talking about Arabs)) In this regard, it should be said that the main topic of discussion was Arab crimes, not Islam, but because some like you want to use the umbrella of Islam to justify it, the topic was drawn to Islam and how it spread, but as I said at the beginning, we have no problem with Islam. We are proud of it.
Then you said that I avoid answering and keep jumping from one branch to another. But in my opinion, my content is coherent and I have given your answers in it. But if you believe that you did not receive an answer, simply quote the article and ask for a better and more comprehensive answer, and wherever you feel that I am rambling, point it out and ask for an answer..
Or you say it somewhere else((Why?!!! You say that the Arabs are bloodthirsty!!!It's interesting, I won't tell you about this because I know you're looking at it with a closed mind, I'll tell you, why?!!!!!؟؟؟؟؟؟))
You say I have a closed view. But it should be noted that I do not have a closed view and I am ready to listen and analyze the opinions of the opponents, in any case, I may make a mistake somewhere, and the opposing opinion will inform me of that mistake. I didn't hear you and you often answer on your own behalf and make generalizations.
But you said, why do I consider these as proofs? . Have you not read or heard them?
You also said ((I will go step by step to really reach the conclusion, but you will tell me once that you are Arab, it is already clear.)) May I ask you when and where you heard such a word from me?. I will never give such an answer because it is far from logic and it shows my inability to give a correct answer..
((You say once, no, our words are the truth and we were present in the wars ))
I do not claim that my words are the same as the truth and I have been in wars. As mentioned above, I am ready to find solid and documented material.
or you say((Now leave this alone, if you really read the Qur'an, take the verses that it says about Arabs - no Arabs, let alone go and understand - from Muslims and explain to me that Muslims are definitely not only Arabs.!!!I swear to God, if I talk for a thousand years, we will not reach a conclusion, because you have a closed view and you thank yourself, you say many times that we have brought this discussion here, you say it is interesting and we have reached a conclusion.!!!!)) I don't understand what you mean by this, please explain better.
But it should be noted that I believe in absolute blackness and absolute whiteness(Of course, apart from God and the prophets and the innocent) does not exist.
According to the above, it cannot be said that (All Arabs have been bloodthirsty and savage) Or it cannot be said that all Iranians were good people.
Based on this, Arabs have been praised in the Qur'an, and this is undeniable, but in other places, Iranians and other tribes and tribes have also been praised, for example, this text from the site((http://maarefquran.org/index.php/page,viewArticle/LinkID,9062?PHPSESSID=5096ea6417005c057f43184ff3f0317c))
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۱٫ (A people other than you): (Here you are called upon to spend in the way of God, so among you is he who is stingy, and he who is stingy is only stingy on his own behalf, and God is riches and riches. Oh, and if you turn away, He will replace you with another people, and then they will not be like you.)(Mohammed: ۳۸); be aware! You are the people who are invited to spend in the way of God.
Some of you are stingy. Whoever is stingy is stingy to himself, and God is in need and you are all in need, and whenever you disobey, God will bring another group in your place.. So they will not be like you and spend generously in the way of God.
Qortubi, one of the famous commentators (AD 671 BC), is writing: When this verse was revealed, the Messenger of God was happy and said: This verse is more popular with me than the whole world. 5
The meaning of the sentence (Yastabdil qauma ghairakum) They are Iranians. Some commentators have also considered them as one of the possibilities of the verse. 6
It is mentioned in the hadith: When the Messenger of God(Peace and blessings of God be upon him) Noble verse (And if you take over) recited, the attendees said: O Messenger of God! Who are those who, if we reject God, will replace us and they will not be like us? The Messenger of God put his hand on Salman Farsi's thigh and said: This and his clan are. (then added:) If God's religion hangs from the star of Soraya, men from Persia will definitely reach it. 7
There are other examples on this site.
Based on this, the great God introduces the chosen men in his verses, those who are righteous. And according to the above rule, these people may be from Arabs, Iranians and other nations.
And because Iranians or Arabs are not defined in some places, it can be said that all Arabs and all Iranians were good and righteous people..
But we say Arabs are a symbol of oppression and violence. But this statement is mostly a slogan because we have witnessed great crimes in the history of our country by the Arabs..
These start from the time when the Arabs attacked Iran.
In your opinion, this attack was a right thing because it was for the spread of Islam.
But we believe that this attack was a wrong thing and the reason for it was the conquest and looting of other countries, not the spread of Islam.
Now the question must be answered, why do we think this way?
The previously mentioned historians are one of the reasons why I mention some of them below.
. (The history book of Sistan page 37, 80 - the complete history book volume 1 page 307)
.(Tabari's book of history; The fifth volume, page 1975)
(Ibn Balkhi's Farsnameh book; Page 116 - Tabari's book of history; The fifth volume, page 2011)
(Tabari's book of history; the fourth volume; Page 1491- The ten thousand year history book of Iran; The second volume, page 123
(Al-Futuh book page 223 - Shushtar's Tadzire book; Page 16)
. (Tabaristan history book page 183 - Royan history book; Page 69
(complete history book; Volume III; Page 208 and 303
(Al-Futuh book; Page 282)
(Tabari's book of history, volume 5, page 2116 - complete book of history; Volume III ; Page 178
.(Ibn Balkhi's Farsnameh book, page 135 - complete history book; The third volume, page 163
But let's take a look at whether the Arabs really came to Iran to spread Islam. And is the way to spread Islam is war and bloodshed or propagation and thinking?
Below are contents from two sites(Shia News) (The question of religions) I will bring you.
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(((((If the conversion of the people of Iran to Islam in other conquests was similar to the conversion of the people of Mada'an to Islam, their Islam is also accepted and confirmed by Islam, as history testifies that Omar's conquests were carried out by the sword, and the conquests of the people converted to Islam with an inner desire, there is no doubt that their tendency to It was because of their own health and that they were searching for the true religion. In this case, if there is any honor, this honor belongs to them, not to Umar bin Khattab, and if their faith was based on fear, terror, and force, it is not only a source of pride and pride for Umar and his followers. Rather, it becomes a source of embarrassment and shame for them, because confession and belief by force and reluctance is not acceptable and acceptable from the eyes of the Qur'an and Atrat.))))
((((((... then people's lives to war with Iraq(Iran)He called but the people did not pay attention to Omar's call and did not move from their place.:If you don't go to war, I will go alone. It was at this time that a group of the Azad tribe was moving to Iraq with the intention of fighting in Syria.(which was a part of Iran)He sent and encouraged them to take the spoils of Al Kasri
Fatuh al-Baldan Belazari page 253
Omar made a deal with Jarir over the spoils of Iran
During the war with Iraq, Jarir bin Abdullah came to Umar and made the condition of going to war to allocate a quarter of the spoils for himself and his group, and Umar accepted this condition. Then he left for Iraq.
Fatuh al-Baldan, Belazari, page 253, Waqdi history, Tabari history, and Ibn Athir history
The Prophet's order to Ali bin Abi Talib about the presentation of Islam before the war
The pious masters have said:When the Messenger of God(Peace be upon him)He sent me to Yemen:O Ali, do not fight with someone unless you have first offered Islam to him. Do not fight with someone before inviting him to Islam. I swear to God, if God guides a person by his hand to the right path, the reward will be better and more precious for you. It is from everything that the sun shines on from sunrise to sunset and you have control over it
O Ali, if God guides a person through you, his reward and reward will be better and more valuable for you than the world and what is in it.)))))
((((Now, a question from the youth who follow the truth
As it has been documented and substantiated, Omar's conquests were based on worldly decorations and material greed, and Islam and the Qur'an were on the sidelines, but you still say that the Iranians' Islam is indebted to the sword of the likes of Omar Ibn Khattab?
History does not remember the calamity that was brought upon Iranians
Saeed bin Marzban narrated that a man from the Anbas tribe who participated in Omar's war with the Iranians told me that on that day (War with the Iranians)A calamity and calamity has befallen the people of Iran that no nation or nation has ever been affected by. After the Iranian army was defeated and they were caught by Omar's army, it came to the point that one of Omar's army wanted an Iranian to his side, and when he came, he took his weapon and killed him!I will tell you even higher than this:(The calamity of Iranians from the troops of Umar bin Khattab reached that point) The soldiers called two Iranians and ordered one to kill his friend
Tarikh al-Umm al-Maluk Tabari, volume 4, page 135
This is how the Prophet of Islam deals with prisoners in some wars!؟
Yes, this act of Omar's troops was the answer to the same bread and halva that the noble and humanitarian people of Iran gave to Omar's troops.
A word with the Sunni brothers
On what basis did Omar's troops commit those illegal acts...?
In one of the wars, the Messenger of God (Peace be upon him ) He sent people to war to get booty!؟
He killed prisoners in one of the wars!؟
In one of the wars, the prisoners were ordered to kill their comrades!؟
In the first of the wars, he ordered people's personal property to be looted and taken as hostages!؟
In one of the wars, before going to war, he determined the share of their spoils!؟
In one of the wars, he ordered to kill someone who confessed to martyrdom!؟
Were Umar's conquests the same as the Prophet said to Ali bin Abi Talib?!؟
Is the answer to the bread and halwa of the Iranian people murder, robbery and crime?!؟))))
((((As documented and substantiated in the previous pages, Umar's conquests in Iran were not centered on God, the Prophet, and the Qur'an, but on the centrality of Al Kasri's spoils and material greed.))))
(((((The history of Islam shows that following these conquests, the ruling body, which was determined by the Caliph, did not take any effort to guide, educate and educate the people until the belief in Islam permeated them and became an ideological force. It should be able to enrich the souls of the defeated with Islamic concepts and characteristics and be effective in the development and evolution of human beings.. Although, within twenty years, the scope of Islam's influence expanded so that the Islamic land was several times the conquests of the Prophet of Islam(ص) became. But the differences between the conquests of the Prophet(ص) And the caliphs were from the earth to the sky, because the Holy Prophet(ص) In his conquests, he was not content with proclaiming his Muslim status and issuing martyrdoms and performing some Islamic rites and appearances superficially, but he sent teachers and trainers to the people of that country to guide them while teaching them the Book of God and correct beliefs and expressing religious rules. and preach.
However, in the conquests of the three caliphs, no plan was considered for educating and guiding the people, and no trained force was sent to the conquered lands to propagate religion and teach rules, and this important and vital issue was not given any importance..
In these conquests, they only asked those who surrendered to the oneness of God and the mission of the Prophet(ص) testify and perform some of the Islamic duties and rites outwardly and formally without it penetrating into their hearts, this is why I see that many areas that were conquered by Muslims returned to disbelief and rebellion after a short period of time..
the Holy Prophet(ص) He was commissioned by God to demand both Islam and faith from the people of his time, but the caliphs and Islamic conquerors only wanted a Muslim appearance from the people and that was it, and we clearly see this unforgivable negligence among the Quraysh and others. Even more companions of the Messenger of God(ص) They also adopted the same method. As Musa bin Yasar says: Companions of the Messenger of God(ص) They were harsh desert wanderers. We Iranians came here and made the religion of Islam pure.))))
((((Certainly, tax discounts have been effective in converting the lower classes to Islam (History of Iran, Spooler 1 : ۲۵۲) On the other hand, it should be noted that the Umayyads were also strict in that they did not grant this discount, and they also took jizya from new Muslims and blocked the growth of Islam for a while.. The story of this issue was such that it caused a protest in Khorasan, those who considered faith to be martyrs and did not accept the strictness of pilgrims and the Umayyad government regarding people's conversion to faith.))))))
From the above, we come to the conclusion that the main purpose of the Arabs was not to spread Islam, but to conquer countries and gain fertile lands..
Although Islam also spread superficially and apparently some Iranians became Muslims, but this conversion to Islam was forced and benefited from tax discounts or maybe to maintain a position..
But according to historians, the process of conversion of Iranians to Islam took 4 centuries, and during this time we witnessed the caliphate of Imam Ali(ع) His services and his new way of government, which made Iranians who had apparently converted to Islam and did not believe in it and did not know much about Islam, find a real inclination towards Islam and this religion will remain strong and strong in their lives forever. The imams sending people with high knowledge of Islam to promote Imam Sadiq's schools made the Iranians accept this religion, which was offered to them in the form of coercion and force, and this religion became permanent..
Since the Arabs who attacked Iran were not looking for the spread of Islam, they were looking for the opening of the country, and as you know, Islam is against the opening of the country..
So the names of those people who attacked Iran were outwardly Muslim and in practice and inwardly they had no belief in Islam and its values..
Although it is not possible to ignore some good actions during the time of the Arabs, such as not destroying some buildings and not destroying Gandi Shapur University, but historical evidence shows that the destructive aspect of the Arabs was higher than their constructive aspect and they did more destruction..
Therefore, it is not possible to justify the attack of the Arabs with the spread of Islam and say that they have done a good and right thing.
We have a problem with the Arabs because the crimes of the Arabs were more than the other governments that Iran had defeated, the crimes of the Arabs were more than Alexander and the Romans, and after this attack, the Iranians could not establish an independent government for centuries..
I request Mr. Hamed to read the above material and express his opinion.
Dear Korosh, take it easy, this article is only for clarification so that we can get to a specific point later. I will not continue this completely because it is not my major, and Imam Ali (peace be upon him) says to be busy with what you are asked about. But as a Muslim, you must I have the necessary knowledge. Don't argue at all about Quranic verses, because when we get to Quranic verses, the discussion is so open that you will never be able to reach a conclusion. For example, I would like to mention that now there are 5 major religions in Islam, Hanafi, Shafi'i and Maliki. And there are Hanbali and Jafari, these schools are now 1400 years old and they have different opinions about taking ablution and the interpretation of the sixth verse of Surah Ma'idah, and both of them are very amazing references and each of them is worthy of reflection, so you can see that one verse can have thousands of interpretations and that Say this is more correct, it is completely wrong. Like the verses of Surah Kahf about Dhul-Qarnain in Tafsir Al-Mizan, if you have read it once and know the type of Tafsir.((( If you have any problem with the interpretation, especially if it is about Dhul-Qarnain, the whole type of interpretation of Allama and his citations and their own opinion and their narrations from the imams and their indebtedness to Ibn Abbas, the first commentator of the Qur'an.))) It is new in the Islamic world and it is one of the best interpretations of the Qur'an among Shiites and Sunnis. And you only give an attribution to Dhul-Qarnain regarding the last material that is mentioned in a few lines, which Allamah himself says that they removed this from the opinion and cite the opinion of Abu Kalam.(Now, what are the problems with Abu Kalam's citation?)This is about the interpretation of the Qur'an that you always cite and I always say that your citation is wrong((If you like, I will explain the reasons for your wrong citation)) This is according to the Qur'an>Regarding the reference to history, I will bring you an interesting case and then I will start to define the reference and how it is cited. In Islam, there is a science and a branch called the science of men, which deals with the narrators of hadith and their stories. If the knowledge of a person in the chain of narration is weak, it means that his name has not been seen before in any of the hadiths, or that the person is narrating an unbelievable hadith, or that the person is in a chain whose name is not recorded in the science of men, and many other things. That hadith is rejected. I will give you an example, Abdullah Abu Huraira, who is a Sunni, then his name is Radiyallahu Anhu. He is one of the famous muhaddith of the Sunnis.((They are among the companions of the Prophet)) The above narrates 6 thousand hadiths from him to the extent that Umar the Second Caliph warned him not to narrate his hadith, this person is an unreliable person in the science of men, to the extent that I read several hadiths from him and they were very funny, so even he was a companion and The understanding of the Prophet's era is not acceptable for narrating hadith either, but there are several hadiths from this man that Shiites refer to, and this is the reason for this. One of the comments was rejected, the hadith is false. If we had such a science in history, many things would be true. Imam Ali, peace be upon him, says that there is a distance of four fingers from the truth to reality. Let me explain about truth and reality.- "Reality" is referred to as "reality".. But "truth" is said to be a perception that corresponds to reality. So, in this hadith, Imam Ali refers to a matter about lying, for example, he says that seeing is like hearing - for example, if I have a statistical society and say the number How many were the martyrs of the Iraq and Iran war?!!!How many people do you think will answer correctly?((Keep this in mind, if you don't answer correctly, it means that you are admitting, that is, you can say that two people were martyred, or you can say that 10 million people and a small number are close to the desired number. They say they don't know, and since it is a historical expression here, we will delete I don't know)) Or come and ask what was the incident of the twin towers of America? How many people do you think have accurate information about this? And how many people know the exact number of people killed in this incident? If you want to register these contents, you say that I am stating this based on a certain topic. Do you think this reference is correct? This is about the events that we are all aware of, and in this age of media, which considers the whole world to be a small village, and even though in the following years, war is being talked about in every relationship and thousands of books have been published. It is difficult to find someone who will say yes, this is how it happened!!!!(((Now the time difference is very small and in this era this difference can be considered insignificant and unimportant!!!)))I will start with Tabari's history first. The history of Abu Jaafar Muhammad bin Jarir Tabari tells them a few hundred years after the events, and he did not understand them, and in his historiography he cites people who are not completely clear. The research done on Tabari's history shows that , which only explained the quoted narrations, and thus only the trustworthiness of the author is confirmed. And in the history of the world, there is no kind of chronology. Now in this era, when the world is a small village and when the imposed war has been talked about thousands and thousands of times, no one knows about the martyrs, let alone the history of the war.!!! At the beginning of the book, Tabari explained about his method and wrote that he narrated the news and works citing the narrators, and among these, what was deduced with "rational arguments" is very little, because in his opinion, the news of the past for A person who has not understood his time can only be found through narrations and news, and cannot be reached with reason and thought.: "So, if in this book of mine, something is found about the news of the past that the reader and listener considers it ugly and distasteful because they did not recognize any aspect of authenticity and did not find any meaning of truth in it, then they know that it is not from us. And it is from those who narrated it to us.". (1/7-8, also 58) And in another area, Tabari refers to obscure sources in some cases, including this sentence (((As for the scholars of the Persians, with their news and affairs, they say:…)))For example, even in matters of faith, there is a lot of room for debate, for example, the most controversial source of Tabari, about the events after the death of the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace. – known as "Redda" – And the conquests and incidents of the Caliphate period of Amirul Momineen Ali (peace be upon him) are the narrations of Saif bin Umar Tamimi. (For example, don't: 3/279, 281, total) It is true that the scholars of hadith and scholars have criticized almost all the members of the Akhbarites such as Ibn Ishaq, Waqidi and Abu Mokhnaf with various arguments and did not consider their narrations to be reliable, or regarding the controversy they discussed about the presence of Hasnain in Iran's wars should be known to be beyond understanding and belief, and here you can better feel the difference between seeing and hearing and the difference between reality and truth. I am dealing with the Islamic war in the city of Caesarea((( Muawiyah had Caesarea under siege . . . .. Mu'awiyah opened it to anger, and found seven hundred thousand mercenary troops, thirty thousand Samaritans and two hundred thousand Jews in it.. There were three hundred markets there, all of which were standing and one hundred thousand men guarded the city walls every night.))) Of course, Muawiyah is not Islam. We will continue. The falsity of such a historical narrative is more obvious than it needs an explanation, but let's assume that in order to have a hundred thousand guards on the walls of a city, for example, at a distance of 5 meters from each other, they want to guard. That city has five hundred kilometers of walls!How stupid is this historiography, and if we accept that it contained seven hundred thousand mercenary troops, this number of troops plus family members, two hundred thousand Jews and thirty thousand Samaritans must have been a city of several million people, of which only seventeen thousand The Arab army conquers it!? How much agricultural land or herds of cattle and sheep are needed for such a number of city residents? How many farmers and shepherds had to work continuously on these lands? How many guards, farmers and shepherds together with women and children have reached?
It is clear that such a castle with today's facilities is also the end of a country, there are many examples of this and it shows that the figures presented in these, for example, historical sources are not reliable at all.. It is even more strange that this fortress with seven hundred thousand soldiers and one hundred thousand permanent guards was surrounded by a seventeen thousand people for seven months.!? Well, again, they only quoted and did not have a real understanding of the numbers. This can be stated in their other histories. I will mention it again, for example, their description of Tabaristan says that there were many trees there and people cut the trees with axes and called it Tabaristan. Now I will bring a few more things, for example, about Jang Qadiseh ((( Before the battle of Qadisiyah, there were several other clashes, and in only one of them, called the Battle of Boyab, a battle was fought between the troops of Mehran, the Iranian general, and Mushani bin Haritha, the Arab general.. It has been said, those who saw it estimated that the bones of one hundred thousand people were killed.))) Such numbers presented are not real, which is nothing but stupid, it is the same with Hercules and the Roman troops in the Syrian wars, and even though Hercules sent one hundred, two hundred or three hundred thousand troops in a war with several thousand Arab troops from gives hand. In many cases, astronomical numbers are also seen a lot, numbers like, thousand thousand thousand (billion) Or larger numbers, which are all exaggerated, especially since these narrations were given by the Arabs, and according to what has been said, the Arabs could not count more than a thousand, even in the form of ten to a hundred, and among them, hardly anyone is able to count. He has been reading and writing. During this stay, Saad sent Asim bin Amr to the lower Euphrates, and he went as far as Mishan in search of sheep and cattle, but he did not find them.... He went to catch a man by the side of a bush, and asked him, looking for a place for sheep and cows, and that person swore and said, "I don't know.". But he was the shepherd of the four ends in that grove, and the cow shouted that God is lying, now we are.... Yes, we heard and saw this and drove the cows, the pilgrims said you are lying, they said if you were there and we weren't then so be it, he said you are telling the truth, so they have no doubt about the cows talking, yes the cows talk by God's permission but what about talking? For example, about Suleiman talking to animals and this judgment of Imam Baqir bin Dokboter, animals talk with human language.!!!! What is left behind as history is an amalgamation of narratives, which is full of blasphemy and could not have any justification other than divine destiny in the author's mind.. The authenticity of these narrations should be doubted, and the real history should be extracted from it through scientific and critical investigations, which has not yet attracted anyone's attention, if we count the number of those who have narrated Tabari's history or similar histories from At the beginning of the lie of the Arab aggression, until we add up all of Iran fell to the Arabs, it will reach astronomical numbers, which seem unreasonable considering the amount of population at that time.(((I can bring thousands of items, it's your wish)))Well, Hamed, I can't say that Mr. Tabari is lying, but his type of historiography and his understanding of the era are wrong, and in this century it should be understandable for free thinkers. , written by Ibn Athir.
Ibn Athir presented his writing to Badr al-Din Lulu, the ruler of Mosul. Al-Kamal is one of the most important sources for research on Mongol history. Also, Ibn Athir fully mentions the Qarakhta dynasty, which is less mentioned in other sources.. Al-Kamel provides useful materials and information about the history of Iran during the Sassanid era and the first centuries of Islam.[۱]
This book covers the history of creation from its beginning to the year 628 (1231 AD) contains (Until two years before the author's death). Although until 302 lunar year (502 AD) *******This work is mostly indebted to the history of Tabari ******** and other historians of Iran and Islam after that, but in the history of Turkestan Mongols, the complete history is considered one of the first reports and sources.[۲]
In his history, Ibn Athir does not mention the different narrations of a historical event, but rather mentions the most complete narrations or the one he thought was the most correct along with what he found from other sources. , ****expresses his opinion about it or notes that there are various news available about it.[۳]*****The history of Tabaristan, Royan and Mazandaran has errors, especially in mentioning the history of the rule of the kings of Tabaristan from Al-Daboyeh to Sadat Zaidiyeh, because the author did not match the Hijri history and the Yazdgardi history with each other. (Kasravi, pp. 33-35).
The prose of this book is smooth and simple, and it can even be said to be slang, with spelling and compositional mistakes . The author sometimes used local idioms and proverbs . He also used verses and hadiths to express historical events (For example, see Chap Shayan, pp. 145-146, 195; Duran Press, introduction to the agenda, pp. twenty-two-twenty-three ).
The history of Tabaristan, Royan and Mazandaran from historical sources such as Khandmir in the history of Habib al-Sir (For example, see Volume 3, pp. 330, 337, 354) And Etimadul-Sultaneh in Al-Tadavin in the condition of Jabal Sherwin (For example, see pp. 59, 71) Farsnameh is a book about the history and geography of Pars that was written in the first decade of the 6th century AH.. The name of the author of the book is not known, but in the preface of the book, the author mentions that he is from Balkh and that he was born and raised in Pars.. Therefore, he is usually referred to as Ibn Balkhi. The geography section of Farsnameh is very valuable to researchers because of the novel information found in it, the history section of the book is mostly consistent with previous dates or even taken from them, although sometimes additional information is found in it.. The history section has the importance of being the first author (In contrast to translation) The history of Iran is in Persian, which has reached us. *** The history of Sistan is one of the local chronicles and one of its most important examples.. In such a way that it is considered one of the first works of its kind and equal to ***Tarikh Balami***, Tarikh Beyhaqi and Zain al-Akhbar Gardizi, and it played an important role in the prosperity of Iranian historiography in the following years. Now we are seeing more of this book. Borrowing from Tabari's History, while "Tabari's History" today, according to most researchers, is only important in terms of the language and type of writing, or in other words, its literature, and is not very reliable from a historical perspective.. Most of the events related to the beginning of Islam are included in this history, and many historians have doubted some of them since about a century after Tabari's death.. Tabari himself has also said about many of his narrations that one should seek refuge in God to determine the degree of trust in their document.
Tabari's most important problem is that he has included all the hadiths and quotes of individuals in his book without researching its authenticity, and many of these hadith transmitters had hatred towards the Ahl al-Bayt of the Prophet.. Also, many of the objections that are made by the opponents of Islam or by Wahhabism towards the Shia religion are based on the quotations of this book. The flow of the Hajjhaludaa and Ghadirakhm incident is simple and makes it brief to a large extent..
The narrators quoted in Tabari's history have also been criticized. For example, "Saif bin Umar Al-Tamimi" is one of the narrators that Tabari cited a lot, while many of his narrations are distorted in terms of authenticity.. In his book "150 False Companions", Allama Mohagheg Zindayad Seyyed Morteza Askari has criticized Saif bin Umar and rejected his narrations with rational and anecdotal reasons. And the quoting of the history should be wise, the quoting of the history turned out to be how it is, and your quoting is to really tell the story and say what happened and why the war happened.!!!!????Not that you just point to a piece and that's it!!!Therefore, we must study history because some of the dates and events are real, some are true and some are false, and we must compare them and use other books that have different types and methods of mentioning history and act like the science of men. We should not accept anything with our eyes closed. So far, you and I hope to reach a conclusion, so in order to better understand what happened, we should read all the history and then use the power of reason to measure how correct this is. However, we live in the 21st century and Don't believe every word and don't just read one article and refer to it. I am strong in mathematical arguments, and as you know, mathematical arguments are logical arguments, so I have to believe everything I read. . It is like the same measure of faith and certainty as in Islam after Abraham's request to God to resurrect the dead!!!He sees that Abraham is a prophet and asks God to revive the living, and God says to him, "Don't you believe in me?" For example, I say that you have no knowledge of the social and political era, and why wars are different between the West and the East, and many things remain for now. What was your answer? For example, I asked you several times to give the real reason for the war and why it happened. And you say Arabs are bloodthirsty, Arabs are like this. I was telling you what would happen if Islam was defeated by the Iranians. Well, my question remains unanswered, but I can point to the Nahavand war, in which the Iranians made an alliance and even killed the Arabs and the kings as punishment for their actions. and destroy their generation from the earth and silence the rumor of Islam. I will end the discussion here. I started this discussion because I didn't know that it was necessary to give an answer to your article, and the fact that some site gave such an answer does not mean that the answer is correct. (((That means it can be true, this is related to our real research))).I wish history had the science of men!!!I mentioned many times about the wars before Islam and early Islam, because in this war, people who are reliable in the science of men were used to see how the wars were. come on. I say again, I wish history had the science of men, but anyway, after the Islamic era, it was expressed by counting the days and accurately, and until now, the type of history that is in the presence of the historian himself continues, and the historical event is taken into account by the historian himself. It is stated whether the historian was present or whether the historian was present at that time, for example, Ashur is mentioned as one of the people present in the incident itself..
Dear friends, I have a request for friends to talk calmly and respectfully if we are looking for results.
To judge the points that you should raise, leave the judgment to other compatriots. Sincere
Thank you, Mr. Shamshad Amiri, I will leave this discussion with two verses from the Holy Quran and two hadiths from Nahj al-Balagha.(Furqan/ 63.)Take forgiveness, enjoin custom, and turn away from the ignorant(Araf/199)Imam Ali PBUH:The worst people are those who think they are better than others.
Imam Ali PBUH:The ultimate justice is for a person to treat himself with justice. I would like to express my deepest gratitude to my dear brother, Mr. Shamshad Amiri Khorasani, and my friends, who I hope will speak with me in this discussion, together we will have a beautiful and prosperous Iran..
Well, in continuation of my previous conversation, the Arabs themselves realized the greatness of Cyrus, at that time an Arab, who knows Iranian himself, does not want to understand. from this.
Every sentence you spoke, Mr. Hamed, can be refuted line by line, word by word, so Mr. Korosh gave your answer well and completely, and also Mr. Saeed does not hurt his hand..
Let me tell you about the wisdom of the Arabs, that the Saudi Mufti Adel Al-Kalbani is responsible for the fall of the crane.:Crane prostrated in Masjid al-Haram!!!!!!!!!!
About Korosh Nameh, translated by Reza Meshaikhi. I am willing to swear that you have never read Korosh Nameh when you are talking like that, have you even looked at what he wrote? I read Cyrus Nameh myself whenever I can, and I have not seen anything but kindness and masculinity. then ……….
About the behavior of Cyrus with King Medes, do you say that he killed him? Nabonaid reports the event:Styag galloped towards King Cyrus with his army to knock him off his feet. A part of his army joined Cyrus.(This shows that the Medes considered Cyrus worthy and successor of Styag) And the rest took the escape route and Styag was personally in command to defend Hegmetane, but he had to take refuge and the city surrendered to Cyrus. He exiled Hyrcania or today's Gorgan and provided him with a prosperous and good life according to Herodotus..
You said about Amitis and … No authentic book said anything about her torture by Cyrus, but Mr. Hamed's imaginations said it. About Cyrus's marriage with her, I think only Katzias said. (Of course I think)But Zabihullah Mansouri said in Javid's book about this marriage that there is no more than a guess and this story can be easily rejected because no source mentions this issue, only the imaginations of some friends mention it. Moreover, Korosh's wife was Kasandan and only one He had a wife, and according to Herodotus, he never married anyone after his death, and the real Emitis was the daughter of Khashai Arsha, who married the general of the Achaemenid army..
Regarding Spain and the fact that it was conquered and converted to Islam, yes, it is true, but those unfortunates were also converted to Islam by force of the sword like the Iranians, but they also fought like the Iranians and made the Arabs populate their own country from foreign lands.. Why is Spain today not the official religion of Islam and why is Christianity Catholic? Look, my dear friend, did you know that Spain, or the former Andalusia, expelled the Arabs and also celebrated Islam from their land, believe me, it is not an honor to fight with Europeans..
In the case of Lady civilization, Croesus's army was planning to attack the nascent government of Iran, and Croesus's greed took over him, and with the help of Babylon, he united and attacked. His bravery, failure turned into victory, in fact, Croesus's own greed brought him to this day. Even so, Croesus was not killed and became the minister of Cyrus.(Chronicles of Herodotus)
In addition, Cyrus did nothing with them in Elamia, but Assyria plundered them, both Sumer and Elam were destroyed by Assyria, and Cyrus defeated Assyria, who were murderous people. You can read the inscriptions of their kings about their murderousness..
Let me tell you about Nineveh, they were not massacred, Cyrus ordered to set fire to their houses and attack them to make them surrender.(Nowhere is it said to kill them or hit their heads and slaughter them)
Regarding the behavior of Cyrus, let me tell you what he did to Panthea and what bravery he showed, and also about the ruler of Armenia who was an ally of Cyrus but betrayed him and what happened to him. These two things are enough about the magnanimity and justice of Cyrus. Now, someone like you claims to be Iranian, but he says to the father of Iran, the words that are worthy of himself and ISIS, I and people like me cannot ignore him.(If you were Iranian, you wouldn't want to make Korosh look small because he has a place in the hearts of most Iranians and everyone loves him.)
Regarding Iranian scientists, Mashallah, there are many, whether before Islam or after Islam.(If you pay attention, Hamed's words were said by a woman before. They all say the same thing. It doesn't matter how much you pay for a person to come and comment with two names.)
I am sorry that the conversation took so long, but I had to say that if someone wants to insult Iran and Iranians in the slightest, I will not let them go unanswered and I will defend my homeland as far as I can..
Mr. Reza, you mentioned a good point about Andalus, as soon as the Arabs were thrown out of their country, they became settled.
Before the Arab invasion, the two countries of Iran and Egypt were very prosperous and advanced, but the fact that the Arabs entered these two countries under the pretext of spreading Islam brought nothing but murder, plunder, aggression, misery and backwardness to these two countries, it is enough that this The two countries are still in the third world, but the Romans and Greeks learned from the disaster that happened to Iran and Egypt, and they may not be at the top now, but at least they are among the prominent countries in the world..
Thank God, I thought I would discuss with some people knowledgeable about the history and social and political history of ancient Iran, before and after Islam, and today. Bal'asa wa har takfiyyah al-ashara
Oh my God, you disappointed me. I thought you knew at least a little bit. You are arguing. Well, with your words, you have proved that we don't know anything but this and that.!!!I'm coming and saying, Dad, every known cause has a known cause, and I'm talking about the occurrence and oldness.!!Because when I entered, Mr. Shamshad himself witnessed, I first took a stand, then I saw, no, maybe they are really free-thinking people, and when I entered the details, it became clear how much knowledge you have.!!!
You owe the same technology that you have and are sending to Muslim scientists like Khwarazmi
The scientific development of Islamic Iran cannot be compared with the pre-Islamic period at all
it's true
Hamed, I think you are very much in your own ignorance with the things you wrote(You copied and pasted)You haven't looked at them yet. Look at what you wrote. Even the sources you referred to do not match each other..
The fact that you know yourself as an Arab and introduce yourself has made our job easier so that we can respond to you better. You also used a word about that.(fool)I think you deserve more.
Besides, when you want to talk about Cyrus the Great, you don't talk about anyone, Cyrus fought with those who committed thousands of crimes(I will continue to explain my point of view)
Regarding the charter, see, dear friend, Cyrus is a symbol of peace, this is not my word, it is the words of the United Nations, and when we understand what Cyrus said, we understand that Cyrus' only goal was peace and friendship, nothing else..
Turn your head to Surah Towba verse 97:The Arabs are fierce and hypocritical = the Arabs have fallen into disbelief and hypocrisy. Of course, from your point of view and those like you, the Qur'an probably belongs to the south of Arabia. I don't know. Maybe the north of Arabia does not belong to Arabia itself, but the Qur'an itself generally says that it means all the Bedouins of Arabia..
Okay, I'm sorry, but you should come up with some reasons to show that this is in terms of politics and religion - whatever it is.- Come on, you are quoting the Qur'an while you don't know its revelation and interpretation, you are quoting while you say that this is the only reason, and the rest are wrong. He says no, maybe that's the case, I'm pointing out some things, maybe you're free-thinking and we'll both come to a conclusion.
Hi.
Mr. Hamed said interesting things that we mostly hear from anti-Iranists and Pan-Jamaat. But they demanded answers to the issues they raised. So I hope that even though this answer will be long, read it all carefully and if there is a link for further reading, read it too.. Thanks
((Arab pride is bloodshed!!!Perhaps the reason for your words is the Iran-Arab wars(((In the war, they don't spread rumors, both sides, the one who is in front of them has come to kill them. If the Islamic Army is defeated, how do you think the Iranians will treat them???) ))
This is part of your words. You are right, but it should be seen after the war and even before it.
The great Prophet of Islam always played a defensive role in his wars and did not believe in spreading Islam by the force of the sword. Therefore, even the unbelievers of Makkah were left to themselves so that they could convert to Islam whenever they wanted, not by force and sword..
And you must have heard that the infidels turned to the Prophet and complained about why they don't take Jizya from the Zoroastrians and the Prophet said that they had a divine religion..
The meaning of this statement was that the Prophet did not want to invite anyone to Islam by the force of the sword, something that the rebel caliphs such as Umar and Uthman did not pay the slightest attention to.. And they started fighting and wanted to force the people to Islam with the force of the sword. Now, if we call them Muslims, they should be (Omar and Othman) They believed in the way of the Prophet and only sent ambassadors to propagate Islam in the Sassanids.(You know that during the Sasanian period, the people had relative religious freedom, despite the pressures of the Zoroastrian clergy, a group of people had converted to Christianity and a group had converted to Buddhism, which was not a small number, so there was absolutely room for them to convert to Islam through the propagation of Islam. .)
But they were only thirsty for blood and conquest, so they started a bloody war in the name of Islam and in order to gain arable land and access to Iran's rich treasures..
So their goal was not to propagate Islam but to rule over other countries.
Now, let's ignore the fact that the Iranians who were apparently converted to Islam under the burden of the blade of the sword. They did not believe in it and with the behavior of Hazrat Ali (ع) They got to know the real Islam.
But these were for before the war, as in the addresses that you did not read, I learned how after the war the Arabs interfered with the wealth, honor and lives of innocent people..
Now I will bring a few cases so that you can see what the Arabs did to the people.!
in royan chalus; Abdullah Ibn Hazem, the agent of the Caliph of Islam under pretense (Proceedings) and handling people's complaints; He ordered them to be gathered in several places and then they called the people to appear one by one and secretly beheaded them so that at the end of that day no one was left alive. … And they destroyed Chalus Diy so much that it was not settled for many years and they forcibly took people's property.. (Tabaristan history book page 183 – The book of Royan history; Page 69
in Shushtar; When the people learned about the imminent invasion of the Arabs; They made a lot of three-sided iron spikes and scattered them in the desert. When the Islamic forces reached that area; Thorns sat on their hands and feet; And they stopped there for a while. After capturing Shushtar; The Arab army killed and looted the city and beheaded those who refused to accept Islam.. (Al-Futuh book page 223 - Shushtar's Tadzire book; Page 16)
in the attack on Neishabur; The people asked for safety, which was agreed; But the Muslims had a grudge against the people of the city. They killed and looted people; That day, they killed and looted from morning to evening prayer. (Al-Futuh book; Page 282
in the Arab attack on Gorgan; The people fought hard against the Islamic armies; As an Arab commander (Said bin Aas) of terror; He prayed the prayer of fear. After a long time of stability and resistance; Finally, the people of Gorgan asked for safety, and Saeed Ibn As gave them "safety" and swore that he "will not kill a single person from the city." The people of Gorgan surrendered. But Saeed Ibn As killed all the people; except for one; And in justifying his breach of contract, he said: "I had sworn not to kill a single person in the city! .. The number of Arab troops in the attack on Gorgan was eighty thousand. (Tabari's book of history, volume 5, page 2116 – complete history book; Volume III ; Page 178)
The people of Kerman also resisted the Arabs for many years until finally during the time of Osman; The ruler of Kerman by paying two million dirhams and two thousand slaves and slaves; as an annual tribute; They made peace with the invading Arabs. (Book of Yaqoubi's history page 62 - Book of Tabari's history, volume 5, page 2116, ۲۱۱۸ – complete history book; The third volume, page 178,۱۷۹
((( Where is slavery allowed in Islam???)))
in the attack on Ellis; A fierce battle took place between the Arab and Iranian armies on the side of a river that later became known as the "Blood River" due to this war.. Against the stubborn resistance and persistence of Iranians; Khaled Ibn Walid vowed that if he wins over the Iranians, "I will kill so many of them that I will make their blood flow in their rivers" and when the Persians were defeated; According to Khalid, "the group of them who were taken captive; They used to bring them and put their necks in the river. There were mills and three days in a row with bloody water; the strength of the army, which was eighteen thousand people or more; they made flour … the dead (the Persians) There were seventy thousand people in Elis. (Tabari's book of history; the fourth volume; Page 1491- The ten thousand year history book of Iran; The second volume, page 123
in the attack on Sistan; The people resisted a lot and the Muslim Arabs did a lot of violence so that Rabi Ibn Ziyad (Arab chief) In order to intimidate the people and reduce their resistance, he ordered to make chests from those killed (That is, they piled up the dead bodies of the war) And they made supports from those killed; And Rabi Ibn Ziyad went up and sat on it and it was decided that every year from Sistan a thousand thousand (one million) They will give dirhams to Amirul Momineen with a thousand slaves, children and maids. (Sistan history book page 37, 80 – Complete history book, volume 1, page 307
This is only part of the horrible crimes against the Arabs (People) I had given you an address, but you didn't read any of it.
Now listen to what the Iranians did to their vanquished.
Cyrus did not kill his grandfather after defeating Ejidhak and kept him in a palace with respect until the end of his life. And he mixed the Medes army with the Persian army.
Cyrus King Lady (Croesus) He left him alive and ordered not to interfere with the property and lives of the Lady people.
King Cyrus of Babylon kept Bakht Nasr alive and ordered not to touch the property and lives of the people of Babylon.
This is the behavior of the conquerors of Iran.
You can search for its sources in the history of Herodotus and Xenophon.
You may not find this behavior with forgiveness in all ages of ancient Iranian history and with all kings, but what is clear is that this forgiveness was prevalent among the kings of Iran. Sassanid Anushirvan also passed away when he defeated the Roman king and only He deposed him.
############(Another part of your speech)
Killing many people according to you . (((that in order to prevent war, both at the time of the spread of Islam and after that, Islam imposed three conditions to preserve the self-esteem of the other party, which Rostam Farahzad accepted and presented to Yazgerd III, and the Sassanian king rejected them because of imperial pride.)))
This was not because of Yazgerd III's pride, but no king would allow his country to be plundered by foreigners.
On the other hand, Rostam Farrokhzad also did not accept the conditions of the Arabs, please state your source regarding the acceptance of the conditions by Rostam..
But we will examine your statements about Cyrus:
Part of your words:
Confiscation of people's houses for the benefit of the generals by Cyrus ((( Kurt, Ameli, Achaemenshian, translated by Morteza Saqibfar, Tehran, 1378, pages 119 to 122; - Briyan, Pierre, History of the Achaemenid Empire, translated by Mehdi Samsar, Tehran, 1377, volume one, pages 192 to 195; - Xenophon, Koreshnameh, translated by Reza Meshaikhi, 6th edition, Tehran, Scientific and Cultural Publications, 1386, page 216)))
Before this, I have written the article on the site (Anti-Cyrus) I had read . And it looks like you copied from there.
In the following, you will see Xenophon's writing on the mentioned page:
He allocated a share of the spoils for the needs of the gods and the houses of the elders
He forgave those who struggled more than others; He said that everyone will receive according to their share
He has had an objection, he wants to express his claim. He ordered the residents of Nineveh to cultivate the land
They should be busy, pay the tribute and booty, and obey the one who appoints for the government
obey.
It is clear from the above text that Cyrus is the house of elders (Like the king, minister and other officials) confiscated and gave to his commanders as a reward, not the people's houses.
There are many examples of these confiscations and it is common that 30 years ago, with the victory of the revolution, all the places and offices were given to the group of revolutionaries for administration.. Even after that, the government started confiscating people's personal property, including Iran Khodro factories, which were privately owned by the Khayami brothers..
Therefore, there is no problem with Cyrus' work from this point of view.
۲- The destruction of the Median civilization by Cyrus: One of the wars of Cyrus that led to the destruction of an ancient civilization, his victory over the Medes and the capture of the city of Hegmetane. (Hamedan/Ekbatan) Was. The conquest that took place with the help of nobles and feudal lords and led to hegemonic looting and enslaving a group of its people..
He managed to capture Amytis (The daughter of the last king of the Medes) and the threat of torturing her and her children forced the king to surrender, and then by killing Amitis' husband, he made her his wife.. Finally, the unfortunate and defeated king was left in a remote desert to die of hunger and thirst.. ((( In the Cambridge History of Iran, under the supervision of Ilya Gershevich, it is stated that "the tendency of the Median people was hostile towards Cyrus" (P. 241). He looted Hegmetane and enslaved some Medes. (P. 240).Although the Medes tried to regain their independence from the Achaemenid rule at least twice during the reign of Darius the Great, but both times they faced Darius's violent suppression and 38,000 of them were massacred.. . Gershevich, Ilya, History of Iran during the Madan period- From the Cambridge History Collection, translated by Bahram Shalgoni, Tehran, Jami Publications, 2007, pages 238 to 241)))
You made a very interesting claim about mods . How was Hagmatane looted? When the Achaemenids made Hegmetane, Susa and Persepolis their capitals, these cities continued their growth and progress.. On the other hand, the Median civilization was never destroyed, and the Median troops accompanied Cyrus in such a way that in the final battle, Cyrus's army was defeated by Aghi Dehak. (King of Medes and grandfather of Cyrus) Entered the battle, the commander of the Median army named Harpagus, who because of the brutal work that Aji Dahak had done to his son, attacked Ajidhak, rebelled and he and his soldiers joined Cyrus and Ajidhak was captured, and contrary to what you said, he was not killed and remained in a palace for the rest of his life. Was imprisoned.
But you also had some very interesting comments about Emitis. First, according to Xenophon and Herodotus, Emitis was Cyrus's aunt and Mandana's sister, Cyrus' mother, whom Cyrus never married.. Rather, according to all historians, including Xenophon, Herodotus, and Ctesias, Cyrus had only one wife, and according to Herodotus, she was Cassandan, and according to Xenophon, she was the daughter of Cyrus's uncle, not Amytis..
After the false Mani was killed by Darius the Great, some people throughout the empire rose up to claim the throne, all of them were soldiers, and Darius destroyed them in the battlefield and put the rebellions to rest, and none of them were innocently killed..
To study about the wife of Cyrus to http://www.aparat.com/v/Jyug6
See.
But regarding the lie of the destruction and massacre of the people of Nineveh, which is from Mr. Ghiyasabadi and is considered a big lie, please help. http://www.aparat.com/v/zfNpb
see this.
Read about the false claim of the destruction of Lydi civilization and the killing of people in it on this page and the section related to Lydi..
http://forum.hammihan.com/thread134265.html
From Professor Abdulazim Rezaei
The Elamite civilization was never destroyed, but it was integrated with larger civilizations such as the Achaemenids, and even the Persians used the vacuum of military power in Elam before their victory over the Medes during the time of their great-grandfather Cyrus, and captured that country and made it their capital. put.
But then you talk about the Khozis and their rebellion . And you say that they disappeared from the scene of history forever!!
This is exactly the same baseless claims that you could read about the Caduceus. http://www.aparat.com/v/Ba4PJ
In the continuation of your speech, you said a very interesting sentence and that was that
((((Of course, during the Muslim war, neither the spirit nor the time to kill)))
In addition to the information I brought before, which showed the brutal killing of the Arabs, pay attention to this information to see if the Arabs had time to kill.!
In the Arab attack on Ray, the people of the city were very persistent and resisted; otherwise (Arab chief) He lost his eye in this war. People fought and fought… And so many of them were killed that they numbered the dead with reeds, and the booty that God bestowed upon the Muslims was like the booty of Mada'in.(Tabari's book of history; The fifth volume, page 1975
In the attack on Shapur, the people showed a lot of persistence and resistance, like Obida (Arab chief) He was injured so badly that he bequeathed at the time of his death to ask for his blood; Massacre the people of Shapur; Arab troops did the same and killed many people of the city. (Ibn Balkhi's Farsnameh book; Page 116 - Tabari's book of history; The fifth volume, page 2011
After the conquest “Swimming pool” (28-30 years of Hijri) The people there revolted and killed the Arab ruler there. Muslim Arabs were forced for a second time”Swimming pool” surround. The resistance and stability of Iranians was such that the conqueror “Swimming pool” (Abdullah bin Amer) worried and angered him so much that he swore that he would kill as many people as possible “Swimming pool” that drew blood. So everyone's blood was allowed and they killed a lot, the blood didn't come until they poured hot water on the blood, so it went away and some of the dead who were named “Forty thousand dead” They were out of the unknown .(Book Farsnameh Ibn Balkhi page 135– complete history book; The third volume, page 163
After a hard battle, Ramhormoz was captured by the Islamic armies and the Arab conquerors; They killed many people and enslaved many women and children and took away a lot of wealth. (Al-Futuh book; Page 215
Beikand was a city from Sogd . Sogd was the international trade center in the east of Iran during the Sassanid era and a very beautiful and rich city . look around” There was a man who had two daughters with Jamal ( Beautiful ) had . Warqa Ibn Nasr ” The commander of the Arab Corps pulled both girls out of the house . The Iranian man said : Why are you taking my girls in the middle of this big city? Varga did not answer . The man stood up and stabbed him with a knife . Varga was wounded but not killed . Because the news reached Qutiba . It was said that all the city “war” are . As a result, the city was completely destroyed . The men were able to fight massacres and the property of the city was seized . Then there was the massacre of Samarkand and Khorezm . After that, Gorgan was under siege “Yazid Mehlab” Income . Tabari writes that on the occasion of this long struggle between the Iranians of Tabaristan and the Arabs and the killing of many Muslims there, he will kill so many of their people that their blood will flow and the mills will turn and they will cook wheat and bread with their blood. . The siege ended after 7 months. Yazid Mahlab took 1000 people in a valley and massacred them all. . But their blood did not flow . But he ordered to shut off the water to the blood so that it flows. The report of this battle indicates that 14,000 Turks were killed in the peninsula and 40,000 Iranians were killed in the battle of Gorgan, and thousands of prisoners were captured and 30 million dirhams were captured. . One fifth of which, amounting to 6 million dirhams, went to Damascus.
So you can see that the Arabs had both the time and the spirit.
Also, don't call these brutal criminals Muslims anymore because it is a great insult to Islam and calling them Muslims is like calling ISIS terrorist group Muslims..
Where in Islam is it said to kill people to convert to Islam???
The Arabs named their campaigns to conquer other countries as the spread of Islam, while for the spread of Islam, it was only enough to send messengers with the good news of Islam to the people..
And this statement means the transmission of Islam with a soft tongue, not with a written sword, and it is a clear statement of the Holy Qur'an.
Therefore, the conquests of the Arabs were not for the spread of Islam, because God did not specify the way and method for the spread of Islam in war and bloodshed, but the goal of the Arabs was to gain arable land and gain the wealth of other countries..
You also mention that science had a special place among the Arabs, read now
Ibn Khaldun, who is the most accurate and the greatest Arab sociologist and historian, says this about the burning of books by the Arabs:
"When Saad Ibn Abi Waqqas reached Mada'in, he saw many books there. He wrote a letter to Omar Ibn Khattab and asked about these books. Umar wrote in response that throw them all into the water, that if what is in these books is a source of guidance, God has sent us guidance, and if there is no source of error in those books, then God has protected us from their evil.. For this reason, they threw all those books into the water or into the fire.(Two centuries of silence, p. 98)
Also, Abu Rihan al-Biruni writes this in his book Athar al-Baqiyyah on Al-Qarun al-Khaliyah:
When Qutiba Ibn Muslim, the leader of Hajjaj, went to Khwarazm for the second time and opened it, he unhesitatingly executed anyone who wrote in Khwarazmi script and had knowledge of history, science, and news of the past, and completely destroyed the people's religious leaders and hirbadans, and the book All of them were burned and ruined.(Page 35, 36, 48)
In his book Two Centuries of Silence, Dr. Zarinkob examines Arab book burning with a logical analysis:
There is no doubt that many books and libraries of Iran have been damaged in the attack of vultures. This claim can be substantiated from history and many external evidences confirm it. However, some researchers have doubts about this, and what is the need for this doubt?! For the Arab, who did not appreciate any words except the Quran, what was the use of preserving the books that he was familiar with, and of course they were at least a source of confusion for him?
In the Muslim religion of that time, familiarity with calligraphy was very rare, and it is clear how much such a people could be interested in books and libraries.. All the evidences show that the Arabs do not benefit from books like what is left of Pahlavi literature today, in this case there is no doubt that they did not see respect and honor in such books... the names of many books The books of the Sassanid era remain in the books, and there is no name or address of them... It is clear that the Muslim environment was not suitable for the existence and survival of such books, and this is the reason for the destruction of those books.. It is evident from all the evidence that many Iranian books were lost in the Arab attack.(Published by Amirkabir pp. 96, 97)
Morteza Ravandi writes in the book Social History of Iran:
One of the ominous and damaging effects of the Arab attack on Iran was the destruction of the scientific and literary works of this border. They destroyed all scientific and literary books as works and relics of disbelief and life.
He adds in the sequence:
... Saad Waqas and others put the results of hundreds of years of study and research of the nations of the Near East into the hands of fire and water.
In the future, if you found the theory I said to be worthless, I have to tell you that the research of Mr. Ashrafian has confirmed the correctness of this theory, you can refer to this address.
http://7poa.com/post/101.htm
But then you didn't read my words at all. You mentioned the honors of Assyria and that they had the Median government under their flag and flag..
You said that there was no difference in the rule of the Abbasids and the Umayyads because they had a long life. It should be kept in mind that your statement is completely wrong. If we are going to judge based on the length of life, then the Achaemenids lived for more than 200 years and the Sassanids lived for about 400 years. There was no difference!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But Mamun fought a hard war with his brother Amin over power. First, he made use of the fame of Imam Reza, the Iranians and the Imam's disciples in his army, then he sent a huge army under the command of Abu Muslim Khorasani to Baghdad, and Abu Muslim He conquered Baghdad and sent Sir Amin to Mamun.
And when he was done with Imam Reza, he martyred him.
Harun was the father of Amin and Mamun.
The differences between these two governments are not few.
You also said that Muslims used to build cities, which is enough to refute your statement.
Thank you for your support, my dear Mr. Kuroshama, all these words are only theories and have not been proven about the killings and whether they have anything to do with Islam or not.!!! This is a very separate discussion and the investigation of this issue will clarify the Islamic culture. And where is the right to kill and where not!!The ruling of Islam is the ruling of God, but the problem is who implements the ruling!!!For example, you can complain to God that what is the sin of a child in the tribe of Ad or Thamud or other tribes that perished.!!!???So there are a series of commandments to kill, and this killing is for the example of others, and in another place, God says in the Qur'an, I will destroy and punish the infidels with your swords.. اما مشکل این ایا در زمان پیامبر بود و بر ضد کافران بود.پس کشتن کافر و مفسد فی الارض حکم خداوندی است.شما از تاریخ صدر اسلام اطلاع ندارید و جنگ ها و دلیل انها و نتیجه انها اطلاعی ندارید و حتی از اسم های جنگ ها هم اطلاعی ندارید.و جنگ های بعد از اسلام همین طور جنگ های که در دوران مختلف را یک جا می اوردید و برای انها استدالال میکنید و این نقطه قوت خوبیه که خود شما نتیجه را گرفتید و از نظر فکری بهتون تحمیل نشده.ببیند دوران اموی و عباسی دوران کوری بوده بخصوص دوران اموی اما میتونید از جنگ های که صورت گرفته و افرادی که فرمانده هان این جنگ ها بودند کی بودند و دلیل جنگ چی بوده و میتونید ببینید که کجای کاریم.بعد در صدر اسلام و فتوحات میتونید از ایدلوژی های دوران قبل در جنگ و سرکوب و کشت و کشتار اطلاع دقیقی پیدا کنید و ببینید این کشت و کشتار ها در همه دوران ها بوده و اجتناب ناپذیر بوده.ادم های ضعیف النفسی بودند که ب استفاده از نام اسلام و برگرفته از ایدلوژی های موجود حکومتی دوران و وجود مستشاران غیر عرب و غیر مسلمان باعث شده از حد بصورت اشد بگذرند باید در نظر بگیر تا دوران عمر ایران بجز طبرستان و سرزمین های شرق تا مصر در دست اسلام بود حالا فرماندهان عرب و سربازان عرب چقد میتوانستد باشند که این همه فعالیت داشته باشند بهرحال انها هم انسان بودن و بعد فرشته گونه نداشتن که؟؟؟اگه کل عربستان رو جمع کنی چند هزار خواهند بود؟؟؟میتونستن این همه فعالیت در یک زمان معین داشته باشند؟؟؟ادم ضعیف النفس برای فروکش کردن عصبانیت شخصی هر کاری میکند اما وسیله این کار کی و چی بوده؟؟؟اعراب بودند؟؟؟مگه اعراب در شبه جزیره چند نفر بودند؟؟؟میخوام بدونم شما از جنگ های قبل از اسلام دلایل و نتایج و جنگ های صدر اسلام دلایل و نتایج و جنگ های بعداز اسلام در فتح دیگر سرزمین ها دلایل و نتایج انها اطلاعی دارید؟؟؟ البته قبل از ان میخوام بدونم شما از جنگ و جنگیدن در تمامی دوران اطلاع دارید که جنگ چیه برا چی در میگیره؟؟؟؟
Why are the wars of Islam in the West different from the wars fought in the East according to your reference!!!؟؟؟
I have always said that in war, one does not spread rumors that he is in front of you to kill. Of course, this is the opinion of both sides towards me. I hope you know this and do not go to the judge one-sidedly. When there are two different opinions, you must observe fairness. Wars Arab and non-Arab Muslims in Iran are different in many places and there are many different reasons and in many places there are vague reasons, but it is possible to arrive at a comprehensive formula. Avoid Arabs and non-Arabs in war until the reality is better understood.!!!!And I hope you don't just repeat the printed information and you should give a reason for every war and this reason should be like a comprehensive formula that can be implemented in all wars, especially Muslim wars.!!! Not to say that this is the reason here and another reason elsewhere!!!Maybe you have heard how it was to suffer during Ashura and why Ashura took place. Who participated in the war and why did they participate? Was this war to conquer the land? What was it for?? Who are the main actors of this war and why should these people be and why was it in Karbala and near Kufa? . Then you will understand the arguments for war, war, and hypocrisy, and you will understand why this happened in Iran.!!!You definitely have a clear heart and you will understand better > You must give the right to its owner with certainty, then he will see why Imam Hossein is oppressed. There are thousands of reasons in your other words, and you yourself know that this is a theory.. And the mere reference to these negates human wisdom, because in contrast to these, there are also theories that are more acceptable among historians. And it happens that I bring something with several documents and citations, and you also bring it in front of several historical books, while we are not aware of the definition of history. None of the people participated in Iran's wars and quoted, and instead of the later wars Islam has been defined by people without intermediaries and on both sides without intentions, and for it, the reason and the exact date and the commanders of both sides have been read.!!! For this reason, compare wars without mediators and wars with mediators, people and years, and see what the difference is.!!! Of course, consider who the opposing sides are, not just the war itself, what happened and why!!!All this is to reach a single result. Maybe there is a typo because I wrote quickly due to lack of time and could not check again.(Hahaha, I do several things together)Friends, you have made a wrong impression about Muawiyah and Cyrus. I did not speak in terms of your status and only explained in terms of the scope of the country's expansion and the results of the country's expansion.. I suggest you read about western wars because they are very complex and interesting. Because it was not only a war of individuals!!!Thank you to all my dear friends
Hamed John, can you answer this question?:
God in verse 54 of the sura “others” Says:
“say:Obey God, and obey His Messenger; and if you disobey, the Prophet is responsible for his actions and you are responsible for your actions, but if you obey him, you will be guided, and there is nothing for the Prophet except to convey clearly.”
Or he says in verse 82 of Surah Nahl:
“O Prophet, don't worry if they turn their backs on you, you are only responsible for the transmission of the religion”
1-Now, can you explain how God says these words here, but you say that Muslims attacked to spread Islam with the sword? Can you tell me a verse from the Qur'an where God said that if you do not accept Islam, spread it with the sword? Is that right? There are verses in the Quran that say to kill the infidels, but first of all, the Quran itself clearly says to kill the infidels, not Zoroastrians or Christians who are God-worshipers, and secondly, on the battlefield, don't you want to say that Arab swords are made of plastic to scare the enemy..
2- How well you compare, if even children were killed in the torment of the people of Ad and Thamud, they were killed by natural disasters that were entirely under God's control, not by other people, but you spoke as if women and children It was the will of God to be killed by the Arabs, and because they were infidels, they should have been killed, if the dominant religion in Iran was Zoroastrianism and it is one of the heavenly religions, and if you think Zoroastrians are infidels, then Christians and Jews are also infidels, if in The treatise of some references, all these loved ones have been introduced as people of the book and are not disbelievers, so why do you want to justify the killing of women and children by accusing them of being disbelievers?
3- Why do you say that everything Korosh Aziz says is only a theory? Because you don't like it? In your opinion, the material that appeared in the history of Tabari, Ibn Athir or Ibn Khaldun(The scene is the crimes of the Arabs)Is it a theory?
Mr. Saeed, this is why I wish someone better than you would come to discuss with me!!!You don't know what I said. It's a theory. Then you want to explain it to me. It's not a theory. You quote verses from the Qur'an when you haven't read the whole Qur'an. There are places where it describes the Arabs, the believers, and the Muslims and their wars, just like the Arabs were infidels and ignorant Arabs. He was a believer and a Muslim, do you know these? There are places where he says, "I will torment the disbelievers with your swords.". I am saying that you should go and take a look at the wars of Islam. He was an infidel, an atheist, and a traitor to the covenant. It was not only the Arabs, but the Jews who were monotheists were also included. Saeed Jan, please read all the comments first, then see what it is about. We will talk and then come and comment
Mr. Hamed, I have brought you two verses of the Qur'an, because you don't remember to interpret them, you are fooling around. Yazidi women, whose religion is derived from Zoroastrianism and Manichaeism, are considered infidels, and with this justification they rape them, with this justification they sell them naked, with this justification they make them thirsty for three days and then force them to quench their thirst. They eat urine. 1400 years ago, the Arabs did the same thing to the Iranians who had the official religion of Zoroastrianism. With that said, you are saying that the Arabs are not doing anything wrong, so ISIS, which is doing the same thing to the Yazidis of Iraq, is not wrong in your opinion..
Yes, Hamed, you are a takfiri liar.
If you are telling the truth, write me the same verses from the Qur'an that you say are in response to me, and then prove to me with a summary that I am wrong. If you are telling the truth, answer with a verse from the Qur'an, otherwise I will say again that you and whoever you You are a Takfiri, not a Muslim.
For example, if I come to explain something that you don't know about and don't accept, what will happen???
Try to justify with the knowledge you have of the thematic interpretation of the Qur'an that spreading Islam with the sword is the right thing to do.
Thank God, you showed your politeness and culture in a few sentences …
Hamed Jan, this is my last word:
” I apologize if I was offended, but I liked the fact that in the end we became ignorant and illiterate at the level of elementary school, but you are completely knowledgeable.”
Only someone can make a fair judgment by reading the comments from beginning to end; which will be clarified in time and with the opinions of other users. We will wait.
You are warm, dear Korosh, by God, you are warm, all your comments are based on research and study, and especially patience and patience..
Thanks
Dear friend, Mr. Hamed, reading your comment, one phrase kept coming to my mind and that phrase(The sky is weaving twine) Was.
It is interesting that you easily dismissed the material that I quoted from reliable historians by mentioning the name of the book and the page number and saying that these are all theories and that you are trying to escape from the facts of history..
And even more interesting than this, you consider the things you said against Iran's history to be true, while I showed you that they were wrong..
Then you said that I don't know anything about the history of Islam, which was interesting. Considering that, unfortunately, instead of Iranian history being taught in Iranian schools, the history of Islam is taught, and the authorities are trying to downplay and ignore the history of Iran, so we can expect to have minimal information about the history of Islam..
Further, you said that the cause of wars should be determined . This is true.
So, we will again refer to the materials that historians have written about the wars between Iranians and Arabs and we will examine what was the cause of them..
######( Some past writings are quoted again)####
In the attack on Shapur, the people showed a lot of persistence and resistance, like Obida (Arab chief) He was injured so badly that he bequeathed at the time of his death to ask for his blood; Massacre the people of Shapur; Arab troops did the same and killed many people of the city. (Ibn Balkhi's Farsnameh book; Page 116 - Tabari's book of history; The fifth volume, page 2011
in the attack on Ellis; A fierce battle took place between the Arab and Iranian armies on the side of a river that later became known as the "Blood River" due to this war.. Against the stubborn resistance and persistence of Iranians; Khaled Ibn Walid vowed that if he wins over the Iranians, "I will kill so many of them that I will make their blood flow in their rivers" and when the Persians were defeated; According to Khalid, "the group of them who were taken captive; They used to bring them and put their necks in the river. There were mills and three days in a row with bloody water; the strength of the army, which was eighteen thousand people or more; they made flour … the dead (the Persians) There were seventy thousand people in Elis. (Tabari's book of history; the fourth volume; Page 1491- The ten thousand year history book of Iran; The second volume, page 123
in the attack on Neishabur; The people asked for safety, which was agreed; But the Muslims had a grudge against the people of the city. They killed and looted people; That day, they killed and looted from morning to evening prayer. (Al-Futuh book; Page 282)
In the Arab attack on Ray, the people of the city were very persistent and resisted; otherwise (Arab chief) He lost his eye in this war. People fought and fought… And so many of them were killed that they numbered the dead with reeds, and the booty that God bestowed upon the Muslims was like the booty of Mada'in.(Tabari's book of history; The fifth volume, page 1975
Well, according to the stated content, the cause of the wars should be searched in the words and writings of historians. Of course, instead of using the word war, I should use the word killing Iranians, because the Arabs drew razors on the people and those who had no weapons.. So this was not a war.
In the attack on Shapur, the Arabs massacred the people of the city just because Obida had bequeathed to avenge his death from the Iranians..
In the attack on Elis, because Khaled Ibn Walid had vowed to make Iranian blood flow in case of victory, seventy thousand Iranians were beheaded..
In the attack on Neshabur, they killed people and looted their property due to Arab hatred towards Iranians.
In the attack on Ray, the people were massacred for resisting and preventing foreigners from dominating their land.
These were the reasons for the war and the bloody attack of the Arabs on Iran.
Maybe you will repeat what you said in the past and say that these are not valid, so in response you should also say that maybe if a historian had said these things, he would have said that he is either wrong or has a grudge against the Arabs..
But when all the historians, whether the Arab historian Ibn Khaldun or the Iranian historian like Tabari, have reread and written these crimes, it is certain that what they said was true..
.
You should know that according to the documents that historians have left for us, the Arabs did not fight for the spread of Islam, but they fought to gain wealth and plunder the countries..
Read here
Blazari writes:
Ash'ath Ibn Qays” He conquered Azerbaijan and opened the door of that city to the Arab army . During the time of Osman he became the governor of Azerbaijan, he sent a large number of Arab families to Azerbaijan to settle there . Arab nomads went to Azerbaijan from Basra, Kufa and Sham . According to him, a few Arabs bought land in Ajman . But most of the Arabs competed with each other to confiscate the lands of the Magi – That is, each group confiscated everything it could . In this way, the properties and lands of Iranians were looted one after another .
in the attack on Sistan; The people resisted a lot and the Muslim Arabs did a lot of violence so that Rabi Ibn Ziyad (Arab chief) In order to intimidate the people and reduce their resistance, he ordered to make chests from those killed (That is, they piled up the dead bodies of the war) And they made supports from those killed; And Rabi Ibn Ziyad went up and sat on it and it was decided that every year from Sistan a thousand thousand (one million) They will give dirhams to Amirul Momineen with a thousand slaves, children and maids. (Sistan history book page 37, 80 – Complete history book, volume 1, page 307)
In the Arab attack on Ray, the people of the city were very persistent and resisted; otherwise (Arab chief) He lost his eye in this war. People fought and fought… And so many of them were killed that they numbered the dead with reeds, and the booty that God bestowed upon the Muslims was like the booty of Mada'in.(Tabari's book of history; The fifth volume, page 1975
((( I have posted this content many times, and to avoid saying repetitive content, I will not post the rest, and it is enough to take a look at the past content.)))
So you can see that the Arabs did not fight for Islam but for money, wealth and land.
On the other hand, the propagation of Islam does not need war. Do you think that the person who became Muslim in China or in America became Muslim by the force of the sword?
Or Jesus did not fight to spread his religion and now there are more Christians than Muslims. It is the truth that a religion does not need war to spread, except when it is threatened by a serious danger, such as the Prophet's expeditions, which had a defensive role and were carried out only for the survival of Islam, or like the battle of Karbala, which Imam Hussein fought to prevent deviation. And the irreligion that had been created among the Muslim Arabs started to fight. Imam Hussain fought and was martyred in Karbala to tell the Arabs who invaded the lands of Iran and North Africa with their barbarism that it is not Islamic that the great prophet Muhammad (ص) introduced to you.
Islam is against murder, bloodshed and war for the purpose of conquering the country and always considers peace and friendship, reason and logic as the best solution..
According to the statements of the Holy Quran and the study of the materials mentioned by historians, we will come to the conclusion that those Arabs who attacked Iran and other countries were not Muslims at all..
Calling them Muslims is like calling Taliban, ISIS and Boko Haram Muslims.
So, for the second time, I request you not to call those Arabs Muslims.
Because by doing this, you help the enemies of Islam to say more easily (Islam is a religion of war, bloodshed and killing).
To prove the crimes and barbarities of the Arabs, there is no need to turn the pages of the history of distant ages, but look at the 8-year war and the crimes that Saddam committed with his Arab racial prejudices. He carried out the biggest chemical attack against the cities of Iran..
And you can take a look at the crime of Saudi Arabia in Jeddah or the crimes of the ISIS group.
Also, somewhere you came to the concept that war with infidels is allowed.
You should know that Iranian Zoroastrians and Romans were Christians, and both of them are divine religions, and respect for them is recommended in the Qur'an..
There is an old saying that you can wake up someone who is sleeping, but not someone who has put himself to sleep.
Dear friend, Mr. Hamed, reading your comment, one phrase kept coming to my mind and that phrase(The sky is weaving twine) Was.
It is interesting that you easily dismissed the material that I quoted from reliable historians by mentioning the name of the book and the page number and saying that these are all theories and that you are trying to escape from the facts of history..
And even more interesting than this, you consider the things you said against Iran's history to be true, while I showed you that they were wrong..
Then you said that I don't know anything about the history of Islam, which was interesting. Considering that, unfortunately, instead of Iranian history being taught in Iranian schools, the history of Islam is taught, and the authorities are trying to downplay and ignore the history of Iran, so we can expect to have minimal information about the history of Islam..
Further, you said that the cause of wars should be determined . This is true.
So, we will again refer to the materials that historians have written about the wars between Iranians and Arabs and we will examine what was the cause of them..
######( Some past writings are quoted again)####
In the attack on Shapur, the people showed a lot of persistence and resistance, like Obida (Arab chief) He was injured so badly that he bequeathed at the time of his death to ask for his blood; Massacre the people of Shapur; Arab troops did the same and killed many people of the city. (Ibn Balkhi's Farsnameh book; Page 116 - Tabari's book of history; The fifth volume, page 2011
in the attack on Ellis; A fierce battle took place between the Arab and Iranian armies on the side of a river that later became known as the "Blood River" due to this war.. Against the stubborn resistance and persistence of Iranians; Khaled Ibn Walid vowed that if he wins over the Iranians, "I will kill so many of them that I will make their blood flow in their rivers" and when the Persians were defeated; According to Khalid, "the group of them who were taken captive; They used to bring them and put their necks in the river. There were mills and three days in a row with bloody water; the strength of the army, which was eighteen thousand people or more; they made flour … the dead (the Persians) There were seventy thousand people in Elis. (Tabari's book of history; the fourth volume; Page 1491- The ten thousand year history book of Iran; The second volume, page 123
in the attack on Neishabur; The people asked for safety, which was agreed; But the Muslims had a grudge against the people of the city. They killed and looted people; That day, they killed and looted from morning to evening prayer. (Al-Futuh book; Page 282)
In the Arab attack on Ray, the people of the city were very persistent and resisted; otherwise (Arab chief) He lost his eye in this war. People fought and fought… And so many of them were killed that they numbered the dead with reeds, and the booty that God bestowed upon the Muslims was like the booty of Mada'in.(Tabari's book of history; The fifth volume, page 1975
Well, according to the stated content, the cause of the wars should be searched in the words and writings of historians. Of course, instead of using the word war, I should use the word killing Iranians, because the Arabs drew razors on the people and those who had no weapons.. So this was not a war.
In the attack on Shapur, the Arabs massacred the people of the city just because Obida had bequeathed to avenge his death from the Iranians..
In the attack on Elis, because Khaled Ibn Walid had vowed to make Iranian blood flow in case of victory, seventy thousand Iranians were beheaded..
In the attack on Neshabur, they killed people and looted their property due to Arab hatred towards Iranians.
In the attack on Ray, the people were massacred for resisting and preventing foreigners from dominating their land.
These were the reasons for the war and the bloody attack of the Arabs on Iran.
Maybe you will repeat what you said in the past and say that these are not valid, so in response you should also say that maybe if a historian had said these things, he would have said that he is either wrong or has a grudge against the Arabs..
But when all the historians, whether the Arab historian Ibn Khaldun or the Iranian historian like Tabari, have reread and written these crimes, it is certain that what they said was true..
.
You should know that according to the documents that historians have left for us, the Arabs did not fight for the spread of Islam, but they fought to gain wealth and plunder the countries..
Read here
Blazari writes:
Ash'ath Ibn Qays” He conquered Azerbaijan and opened the door of that city to the Arab army . During the time of Osman he became the governor of Azerbaijan, he sent a large number of Arab families to Azerbaijan to settle there . Arab nomads went to Azerbaijan from Basra, Kufa and Sham . According to him, a few Arabs bought land in Ajman . But most of the Arabs competed with each other to confiscate the lands of the Magi – That is, each group confiscated everything it could . In this way, the properties and lands of Iranians were looted one after another .
in the attack on Sistan; The people resisted a lot and the Muslim Arabs did a lot of violence so that Rabi Ibn Ziyad (Arab chief) In order to intimidate the people and reduce their resistance, he ordered to make chests from those killed (That is, they piled up the dead bodies of the war) And they made supports from those killed; And Rabi Ibn Ziyad went up and sat on it and it was decided that every year from Sistan a thousand thousand (one million) They will give dirhams to Amirul Momineen with a thousand slaves, children and maids. (Sistan history book page 37, 80 – Complete history book, volume 1, page 307)
In the Arab attack on Ray, the people of the city were very persistent and resisted; otherwise (Arab chief) He lost his eye in this war. People fought and fought… And so many of them were killed that they numbered the dead with reeds, and the booty that God bestowed upon the Muslims was like the booty of Mada'in.(Tabari's book of history; The fifth volume, page 1975
((( I have posted this content many times, and to avoid saying repetitive content, I will not post the rest, and it is enough to take a look at the past content.)))
So you can see that the Arabs did not fight for Islam but for money, wealth and land.
On the other hand, the propagation of Islam does not need war. Do you think that the person who became Muslim in China or in America became Muslim by the force of the sword?
Or Jesus did not fight to spread his religion and now there are more Christians than Muslims. It is the truth that a religion does not need war to spread, except when it is threatened by a serious danger, such as the Prophet's expeditions, which had a defensive role and were carried out only for the survival of Islam, or like the battle of Karbala, which Imam Hussein fought to prevent deviation. And the irreligion that had been created among the Muslim Arabs started to fight. Imam Hussain fought and was martyred in Karbala to tell the Arabs who invaded the lands of Iran and North Africa with their barbarism that it is not Islamic that the great prophet Muhammad (ص) introduced to you.
Islam is against murder, bloodshed and war for the purpose of conquering the country and always considers peace and friendship, reason and logic as the best solution..
According to the statements of the Holy Quran and the study of the materials mentioned by historians, we will come to the conclusion that those Arabs who attacked Iran and other countries were not Muslims at all..
Calling them Muslims is like calling Taliban, ISIS and Boko Haram Muslims.
So, for the second time, I request you not to call those Arabs Muslims.
Because by doing this, you help the enemies of Islam to say more easily (Islam is a religion of war, bloodshed and killing).
To prove the crimes and barbarities of the Arabs, there is no need to turn the pages of the history of distant ages, but look at the 8-year war and the crimes that Saddam committed with his Arab racial prejudices. He carried out the biggest chemical attack against the cities of Iran..
And you can take a look at the crime of Saudi Arabia in Jeddah or the crimes of the ISIS group.
Also, somewhere you came to the concept that war with infidels is allowed.
You should know that Iranian Zoroastrians and Romans were Christians, and both of them are divine religions, and respect for them is recommended in the Qur'an..
There is an old saying that you can wake up someone who is sleeping, but not someone who has put himself to sleep.
If it's me, I'll answer like this because I'm sure you don't know anything about history.
Hamed, I like the fact that, in terms of historical information, Kuroshi's shoelaces, ***********
For example, if I come to explain something that you don't know about and don't accept, what will happen???
For example, say that Boko Haram are not Arabs, or say that ISIS is 70% Caucasian and European, and the Prime Minister of Iraq said that 80 countries are fighting with us, what will happen? They don't consider the issue to be related to religion, so what should happen? Or should I say, when they told Mr. Rafsanjani, "Go to Saudi Arabia, sir," he told them to go to Saudi Arabia, what should I say?!!!Let me tell you, what do you mean by the words, what should happen??? My brother, God is witness, you have no knowledge of history, nor of politics, nor of the social and religious culture of ancient Iran, before and after Islam, and today. What should I discuss with you when some things are as clear as day and I'm just pointing out that maybe you are not free-thinking and you will understand, but that's not the case, so what should I talk to you about?? Arabs, I say, Dad, there were some people at that time, we are left, for example, the people of Yathrab or Madina and Bani Hashem and their ancestors were monotheists and they are famous in the history before Islam, or if I tell you about the people of Yemen, you are taking the matter elsewhere. You jump from one branch to another, I say sir, this war is like this, what are the advisors and fighters and the reasons for the war?!!! You say that the Arabs are bloodthirsty!!!It's interesting, I won't tell you about this because I know you're looking at it with a closed mind, I'll tell you, why?!!!!!??????Well, how can I talk to a Chinese person and reach a conclusion?!!!Of course, unlike you, I will not act defensively and I will go step by step with you to really reach a conclusion, but you are going to say once that you are an Arab.!!Once you say that you are also from ISIS and once you say you are illiterate. Once you say no, our words are the same truth and we were present in the wars. Once you say this is like this and that is like this. At one time and in one period, you jump to another topic!! You are quoting from the Qur'an without knowing its revelation and interpretation!!!!Now leave this, if you really read the Qur'an, the verses about Arabs –No Arab, let go, go to understand– Take the statement from Muslims and explain it to me, Muslims are definitely not only Arabs!!!I swear to God, if I talk for a thousand years, we will not reach a conclusion, because you have a closed view and you thank yourself, you say many times that we have brought this discussion here, you say it is interesting and we have reached a conclusion.!!!!That is, what do I want to say when you are ignorant and have little knowledge!!!What can I say???? With you, we should start like school from the beginning of elementary school, so that you can see Islam and before Islam, war and peace, and believers and Muslims, and understand many things. He walked with you step by step until you reached the conclusion. I am surprised that you do not know anything about arguments and their types and theories etc. in daily life and later in history.!!!God knows best.
The reason for the similarity of the Avesta script with Arabic is that the Avesta script. Taken from the side line. and the Pahlavi script was invented from Aramaic script, Aramaic script, cuneiform script, and Arabic script, all three were invented by Semitic peoples.. Are you really an Indian from Europe or from India's own India? **************. Jesus was also of Semitic descent, not European. In terms of genetics, they are similar to the Greeks, not the Elamites
Excellent, please expand your research .
Mr. Hamed Arab, you speak so unaccountably and bigger than your own mouth and that of your ancestors
You are so illiterate that you know Zoroastrianism and Hinduism as one
In my opinion, you have no right to comment until you grow up
In addition, Mr. Arabi, who is the biggest legend of Saddam and his ilk
Look in history and find an Arab person who reached the level of Cyrus the Great, then come and talk about race
What happened in your race other than murder, betrayal and crime?
I thought that you have the same line, but with this beautiful article, it became clear that it was not Arab's at least
It's really a pity that some people have an Iranian name
I have the honor of being an Arab first, then an Iranian
The most stupid person is someone who closes his eyes to the truth and smokes from the truth
The Arabs have been so proud that they cannot be brought here, but someone like Muawiya is a thousand times better than Cyrus, the one who broke Rome, Greece and Europe and made them submit to Islam for years.(I have nothing to do with the evil nature of this person).I don't need to tell you about Arab elders, this is enough
You bring me thousands of Aryans from the entire nation, and I only bring two names that are preferable to a hundred million Aryans..
So when you mention the Arab name, remember who you pointed your finger at!!!؟؟؟
But I remember that the Aryans themselves were immigrants, and when they came, they named a land after them. They were Samians, the race of Arabs and Jews, and they had an empire, customs, and laws there, and you say that we invented these things..
Or, for example, you know less about Hammurabi's laws, which were a few thousand years before the existence of the Aryans, than this charter. Now, what is mentioned in the charter!!!
Or that the first people who invented the modern script were the Phoenicians, and the Assyrian government controlled Iran for several centuries, and they were the ones who archived the correspondences and government affairs, and they were the ones who gave existence to the burnt city, because in these correspondences, a name from it being a slave.
You go, just look at the history of the Achaemenids, how did they not have brother killings and father killings because of the government? Or how they left their honor in the palaces and ran away during Alexander's attack..
Or their barbarism in the attack and Greece, which wrote its own history, and because of this barbarism, Alexander burned Persepolis..
If your criteria is to open the country, and Muawiya broke Rome and Europe.
Do you have anyone, name them???!!!Or are you only talking about the historical quote you have???
It is enough that a few thousand Arabs at the same time could defeat Rome and Iran, which at that time could mobilize a million people..
If being Iranian is what you define, I am ashamed to say that I am an Iranian…
Mr. Hamed
Illiteracy waves in you, but I will say something to put your mind at ease
Art Pishe Soori in a letter to Mrs “Merkel” The Prime Minister of Germany writes that the reason is that the people of Syria, instead of going to the peripheral countries of Pars(Countries that share both the religion and the language of the Syrian people) They make themselves displaced in Europe because the Arabs have shameless demands on them and treat them like sex slaves. This is from the Arabs of the 21st century by their own admission..
But sir, the Western planning for the Middle East is going in such a direction that one of the Arabs and the Iranians will be eliminated, now they are choosing the Iranians, do you know why? Because when the Iranians go there, they study at MIT, but the Arabs When he goes there, he only looks for girls. To prove it to you, first search the internet for 'anti arab'’ It means anti-Arab. Then see how many countries in the world hate you, everything is related to your race. And then search for 'anti Iran'.’ Whatever comes is related to politics.
You said somewhere that there are Arabs who are preferable to a thousand Aryans, but you did not mention a name. I will give you the name of a famous Iranian lady who is alive at the moment and makes Iran proud. Then you introduce an Arab woman..
Dr. Maryam Mirza Khani - the first woman in the world to receive the Fields Prize in Mathematics.(Say an Arab female scientist)
Mr. Hamed, whatever we can say to you is too little, God officially says to His Majesty in the Quran that you were so ignorant and stupid that you killed a living girl, but you justify it by saying that it was out of jealousy, obviously no one can kill you..
Regarding being Iranian, I must say that you are not Iranian at all and you do not deserve it. You have no right to use the name of Iran, you should be in front of your like-minded comrades in ISIS..
Hello, they gave some comments that Mr. Shamshad not knowing it is good to publish the body is not a problem
It makes me proud that one of my compatriots can shine in the world, because we all know that there are many countries, just as we know Israel as evil, they know Iran in the same way.(Western and Eastern colonial countries) They eliminate Arabs and keep Iran, and Imam Khomeini explained that if they say bad things about us, we should be happy because we do not act according to their wishes.. If they praise us, we should doubt ourselves that we are going the wrong way.
You should know that the devil does not delete you to mislead you, but encourages you to do what you were doing..
I don't like to say that some Arabs are like this, but I will give you a little fact about the Arabs in America. I know that you have never heard of this institution..
1-Steve Jobs, Founder of Apple.[۱۲] (who was born from an Arab father and a German-Swiss mother[۱۳])
۲- Mrs. Nawal Noor (Sudanese) (Gynecologist and obstetrician and winner of the MacArthur Fellows Program award in 2003
۳- Mrs. Zainab Al-Karabi, (Iraqi), The founder and director of the organization of women for women of the world
4- Mrs. Nadia Suleiman, (From an Iraqi father), “Octomom”
5- Miss Mona Simpson (novelist), (From a Syrian father) . (Sister of Steve Jobs)
6- Mrs. Suise Gharib, co-anchor of the Nightly Business Report, 100 most influential business journalists.
7- Mrs. Rosemary Barakat, (Syria), United States Federal Judge and the first female Supreme Court Justice and Chief Justice of the State of Florida
8- Mr. Ralph Nader, (Lebanese) Consumer protection activist, politician, the first Arab American candidate for the US presidency.
9- Mrs. Selvi Roosevelt, (Lebanese) Former director of United States contracts, wife of Archibald Roosevelt, eldest son of President Theodore Roosevelt.
۱۰- Mr. Ahmed Hasan Zowil (Egyptian) Winner of the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1999.
۱۱- Mrs. Tawakkel Kerman, Nobel Prize winner
There are three other Arabs who have won the Nobel Prize, which is not possible. You can go to "Arab American" and get to know more about these people and their activities..
Regarding ignorance, thank God, God found us the best ummah for his religion to introduce his religion to the world with true Muslims and invite all ummahs to the true truth..
I am not a Jew who considers myself the best and the Arab Ummah the best, but the extent of what I am is for God and not for your highness, who speaks your words full of hatred..
As for whether I am Iranian or not, it is not you who decides, I will leave this to history. Because we have proven for years that we are a province.(Like the same province that fell within a few hours by only a few thousand people and Tehran was going to fall within a few hours) We will not give it within a few hours, and when Imam Rahmatullah said, Ahvaz has no men, we pushed Iraq back to the western borders within a few days without the support of the central government, and the letter of Sardar Ali Shamkhani is a witness to the story, but he is safe from the betrayal that Bani Sadr did. There is no honor in which country I am, pride is in piety.
Thanks be to God, he established Hanafi in our dynasty and chose Prophet Muhammad B. Abdullah, may God bless him and grant him peace, from us and for the whole world. Again, choosing a prophet from the Arabs is not an honor, and it is a blessing that God gave us, and this blessing of God is our honor..
I repeat, if your logic is that we Iranians are the best race in the world and the best country in the world, I am not one of you, because arrogance is definitely a sign of error, and not only me, but also millions of Iranians, they will not be proud to be Iranians..
There are thousands of reasons for violating your words, but I wish there was a civilized person like Mr. Shamshad who would answer me..
Thank God, I am an Iranian Arab Shiite Muslim and this is my pride.
Mr. Hamed
I don't care at all what you think I am, 42% of NASA researchers in America are Iranian, which is more than the 11 people you mentioned, besides, I was thinking of a scientific person; Children(Dr. Shervin Tagvi Larijani, whose research caused Einstein's equality hypothesis to be called into question, Professor Majid Samii, Professor Lotfizadeh, the founder of fuzzy logic, Professor Behzad Razavi, who are among the geniuses of electrical engineering, and …)But regarding the hatred I have for people like you:
You said somewhere that God spread his religion by real Muslims, so the killing of several hundred thousand Iranians by Arab generals(Khaled, Qutiba, Yazid bin Mehlab and …)From your point of view, it is okay, so from your point of view, it is okay to enslave Iranian women and girls(While everyone is equal in the Qur'an, the same Muslims who were real in your opinion started slavery)Mr. Hamed, let me tell you that these respectable Iraqis rent girls for 150 thousand tomans in Mashhad and come and see what kind of corruption they are creating. One of my friends from Kermanshahi said that he is sick of people like you because of all this corruption. I don't want to say more. In your opinion, what are these real Muslims doing in Mashhad?(Although there is good and bad in everyone).
By the way, unlike you, I am not a racist, someone who considers himself an Arab before being an Iranian is a racist.
I don't need to say anything about the war, dear people of Iraq(Of course, in your opinion, real Muslims)My grandfather was martyred on the front, so you don't need to tell me about Imam Khomeini's bravery and being a soldier.
In relation to logic:
Your logic is that since Islam appeared among you, it doesn't matter how you spread it(Murder, robbery, rape, etc…)Rather, your logic is that since you attacked in the name of Islam, we should shut up and not say why you started so much slavery? But on the other hand, Cyrus conquered Babylon and now because people kneel to him, he becomes a tyrant.(And you say that people should kneel for him, not us. In the event that the Arab historians themselves confessed to the crimes of the Arabs when they entered Iran.).
It is very strange to me that if anyone reads your previous comments, the first thing that comes to their mind is Pan-Arab, then you called me uncivilized and racist. takes and then considers himself a superior race, I hate that Arab who thinks that because the Prophet of Islam was an Arab, therefore his race is superior, because he did not understand that Islam came to say that no race is superior, I hate that Arab who in Mashhad instead of visiting Imam Reza walks after people's girls. I hate him. I must have seen something with my eyes that I hate so much. I don't want to say more about what I saw..
But try to correct your logic.
In addition, I do not know the people of Egypt and Syria as Arabs at all, but I only know Arabic, so try to mention Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, and Qatar; even the Kurds and Yazidis of Iraq are not Arabs..
And today we see that the owner of the company producing artificial women is a Qatari.
Mr. Hamed, it is clear that you consider a person like Muawiya superior and higher than Cyrus the Great, because the pride of the Arabs is bloodshed, murder, and looting, and nothing else..
But if you complain about the extent of the lands that were conquered by the Arabs, you are right, the Arabs of the Islamic Empire. (Apparently Islamic, and if not, there is no smell of that Islam that Prophet Muhammad(ص) It was advertised, but they didn't buy it) Far bigger than the Achaemenians, they created the Sassanians and all the ancient empires of Iran. But note that the Mongol Empire, occupying 33 million square kilometers, is more than a third larger than the Umayyad Empire with 19 million kilometers.. So you should be proud of the Mongols, not the Arabs.
On the other side of the coin, it has been carefully recorded by many Iranian and Arab historians of that time, and it is nothing but the merciless slaughter of Arabs and the rule of suffocation and fear of the people..
In this regard, read these sources.
. (Sistan history book page 37, 80 – Complete history book, volume 1, page 307)
.(Tabari's book of history; The fifth volume, page 1975)
(Ibn Balkhi's Farsnameh book; Page 116 - Tabari's book of history; The fifth volume, page 2011)
(Tabari's book of history; the fourth volume; Page 1491- The ten thousand year history book of Iran; The second volume, page 123
(Al-Futuh book page 223 - Shushtar's Tadzire book; Page 16)
. (Tabaristan history book page 183 – The book of Royan history; Page 69
(complete history book; Volume III; Page 208 and 303
(Al-Futuh book; Page 282)
(Tabari's book of history, volume 5, page 2116 – complete history book; Volume III ; Page 178
.(Book Farsnameh Ibn Balkhi page 135– complete history book; The third volume, page 163
And there are many such sources and I did not bring them to make the writing as short as possible.
Of course, the conquests by the Achaemenids were not without bloodshed, but the difference between them and the Arabs was that they only fought with the military and did not touch the wealth and honor of the people after ruling over the enemy..
And at the same time, it is as if your Arab racism is so high that you do not know Prophet Muhammad (ص) And the imams after him have been sent by God to promote pure Islam all over the world.
But regarding the migration of Aryans, you should keep in mind that recent theories and findings indicate that Aryans have been in Iran since around 10,000 BC. Although historians still disagree on that. have.
Specifically, regarding my script and language, I have never heard that the Aryans invented their own script and language, but most researchers say that they created their ancient script by mixing and expanding other scripts. But the point is that this The invention of the script by the Aryans was later used by the Babylonians and expanded to create the modern Arabic script..
It is very interesting that you talk about the honors of the Assyrians and on the other side of the coin, you do not mention their terrible crimes that were recorded by themselves.. And you don't say that at the end of this Assyrian government was overthrown by the alliance of Medes and Babylon.
But regarding the history of the Achaemenids, you talk about fratricide for power as if it did not exist in other governments. You will find greater examples of such actions in the Abbasid and Umayyad governments..
The example of Erio Bezran, the great Iranian general who defended Persepolis until his death, is a worthy example to refute your next baseless statement..
Barbarism in the attack on Greece??????????????? Wow, all the historians point to the good behavior of the Achaemenid conquerors towards the conquered. But maybe you mean what King Xerxes did to Athens. It should be said that he did not kill the people in the city and burned the city out of anger, but then he regretted it and paid the cost of reconstruction from the Achaemenid court to compensate for his wrongdoing..
But Alexander ordered the destruction of Persepolis while drunk.
(((Do you have anyone, name them???))) I did not understand the meaning of this statement and what you mean.
But in your next statement, you should say where did you get the space figure of one million people??? Even today, the number of active and inactive soldiers in Iran is around 750,000.
But there are two problems with your statement. First, Rome was not defeated by the Arabs and its government did not fall apart. Second, the northern regions of Iran and the Caspian Sea never fell into the hands of the Arabs..
Now you should be proud of being an Arab and continue beating the barrel of your racial prejudices.
Thanks for the good opinion of Cyrus
Well, this article of yours, like all friends, was not without anger
First, you answered things that you don't know why they were written, and I answered my dear friend Mr. Amin..
Arab pride is bloodshed!!!Perhaps the reason for your words is the Iran-Arab wars(((In the war, they don't spread rumors, both sides, the one who is in front of them has come to kill them. If the Islamic Army is defeated, how do you think the Iranians will treat them???))) And kill many people according to you . (((that in order to prevent war, both at the time of the spread of Islam and after that, Islam imposed three conditions to preserve the self-esteem of the other party, which Rostam Farahzad accepted and presented to Yazgerd III, and the Sassanian king rejected them because of imperial pride.))) So the story of war and fighting is known. There is no doubt about it . Like the stories of the war in ancient Iran, we see together…
۱- Confiscation of people's houses for the benefit of the generals by Cyrus ((( Kurt, Ameli, Achaemenshian, translated by Morteza Saqibfar, Tehran, 1378, pages 119 to 122; —Beryan, Pierre, History of the Achaemenid Empire, translated by Mehdi Samsar, Tehran, 1377, volume 1, pages 192 to 195;—Xenophon, Koreshnameh, translated by Reza Meshaikhi, 6th edition, Tehran, Scientific and Cultural Publications, 2006, page 216)))
۲- The destruction of the Median civilization by Cyrus: One of the wars of Cyrus that led to the destruction of an ancient civilization, his victory over the Medes and the capture of the city of Hegmetane. (Hamedan/Ekbatan) Was. The conquest that took place with the help of nobles and feudal lords and led to hegemonic looting and enslaving a group of its people..
He managed to capture Amytis (The daughter of the last king of the Medes) and the threat of torturing her and her children forced the king to surrender, and then by killing Amitis' husband, he made her his wife.. Finally, the unfortunate and defeated king was left in a remote desert to die of hunger and thirst.. ((( In the Cambridge History of Iran, under the supervision of Ilya Gershevich, it is stated that "the tendency of the Median people was hostile towards Cyrus" (P. 241). He looted Hegmetane and enslaved some Medes. (P. 240).—Although the Medes tried at least twice during the time of Darius the Great to regain their independence from the Achaemenid rule, but both times they faced Darius's violent suppression and 38,000 of them were massacred.. . Gershevich, Ilya, History of Iran during the Madan period- From the Cambridge History Collection, translated by Bahram Shalgoni, Tehran, Jami Publications, 2007, pages 238 to 241)))
۳- The massacre of the people of Nineveh ((( Xenophon, Koreshnameh, translated by Reza Meshaikhi, 6th edition, Tehran, Scientific and Cultural Publications, 2006, pages 214 to 216)))
۴- The destruction of Lady civilization (((Beryan, Pierre, History of the Achaemenid Empire, translated by Mehdi Samsar, Tehran, Zaryab Publications, 1377, first volume, pages 114 to 117)))
۵- The destruction of the Elamite civilization of the Khozians (((Beryan, Pierre, History of the Achaemenid Empire, translated by Mehdi Samsar, Tehran, Zaryab Publications, 1377, volume 1, page 125)))
In order not to increase the content, this is enough
Regarding honoring the Mongols, I must say that the crimes of the Mongols were one of the biggest crimes mentioned, but the Arab attack was not mentioned as a crime except on Iranian websites..
The slaughter of Arabs and starvation in Islamic periods I must also say that the slaughter I have explained to you, you can also see with open eyes the reason for this war, for example, in ancient Iran, I point out that : Even though the Khuzeans tried at least once to get rid of the Achaemenid rule during the time of Darius I and they succeeded to a large extent, but according to Darius in the Biston inscription, they faced his severe oppression and were repressed forever and disappeared from the history page..
In this context, Pierre Brian has explained: "The massacres carried out by Cyrus' troops after the war speak of the intensity and violence of the Neo-Babylonian army.. Probably around this time (Or maybe a little before or after that) Susa has also been subjugated by Cyrus and the last kingdom of Noorlami has been destroyed forever.. ((( Beryan, Pierre, History of the Achaemenid Empire, translated by Mehdi Samsar, Tehran, Zaryab Publications, 1377, volume 1, page 125)))
Of course, at the time of the Muslim war, they did not have the spirit to kill and kill, nor did they have the time, nor did they have to fight with Rome and kill and kill with Iran, so most of the cities that either surrendered or were conquered by war rose up after appointing a governor. And they killed the governor and created a new chaos after the covenant with the Muslims, and the result is that all those who participated in this chaos either surrendered or were killed, and Iranians sometimes chose killing instead of surrendering, and if a city revolted That is, the people of that city rioted.
In the case of Khafghan, it was a government that had the greatest scientists and thinkers, and had the largest library in the world and the largest translation center, and for the translation of each book, they paid gold equal to the weight of the same book, and the ruler and the citizen are the same before the judge, and their center is separate from the government, and very How could other things be suffocating?????
Of course, I must say about the Ahl al-Bayt, they are the rightful caliphs in this world and the next, and the Umayyad and Abbasid regimes did not want to lose their fake government, and they imposed a severe suffocation on pure Muhammadan ideas.–But on the other hand, they respected Eastern and Western thought, and with the arrival of western philosophy and logic, Muslim scholars created Islamic jurisprudence and Islamic logic to answer people's questions, which was the greatest service to Islam in contrast to atheistic ideas, which had the greatest impact on the world. had.
The translation of alchemy and mathematics books from India and Europe helped Muslims achieve these sciences and improve them, and until now the whole world is aware of this service of Muslims..
Regarding the theory that you said that there were Aryans 10,000 years ago, I must say that this is just a theory, like this: I will give a theory that the sun does not exist and provide proof for it, but do you think that any elementary school child can accept such a theory?? ???So, your words are only a basic theory and have no value, validity and validity compared to the existing theories.
As for the Assyrians, I am not proud of any civilization other than the Islamic civilization, but I have to say that your words do not make sense at all, that the Assyrians united with the Medes and overthrew Babylon, so what? And Medes and Lydia were overthrown from all the way to Egypt. In this regard, the Assyrians should be a little proud because they overthrew at least one city-state with the alliance.…
Regarding the fratricide of the Umayyads and the Abbasids, it is known that if there were many conflicts and differences, and despite the introduction of new ideas, the dynasties should have fallen very soon, for example, the rule of Harun and Mamun al-Rashid in the era of Imam Reza (a.s.), there were two governments in power, but no war. It took place and nine brothers were killed and Mamun was killed in an accident. Unlike Iran's civil wars to take over the throne…
But regarding the honor of Muawiya, Mr. Amin said, "Look in history and find an Arab who will reach the level of Cyrus.". It is very ridiculous to say that I am proud of the existence of a figure like Muawiyah, but I put him in front of his blind to say that you can bring up war and bloodshed and conquest and conquests by anyone, but there is no proof that they are good..
Other than Muawiya, there was no one in the Arab world that I can name???
For example, Musa bin Nasir and his commander Tariq bin Ziyad bin Abdullah, that's enough to say ::
۱) Nine thousand Muslim soldiers were able to capture all of Spain in just a few months.
۲) After the conquest of Spain, Muslims freed the Jews who were oppressed by the Spanish kings and gave them shelter.. (۱)
۳) Unlike the kings who, by taking over the cities, destroyed them and massacred the people, the Muslims settled Andalusia more than before and treated the people there with respect and justice.. After some time, most of the residents there converted to Islam after seeing this behavior of Muslims. Also, those who remained true to their religion, in the shadow of Islamic justice, performed all their religious rituals without any aggression from Muslims..
۴) The purpose of Tariq and his soldiers to march to Spain was never for the sake of power and authority, and they did this only to open the way for Da'wah and to bring religion to the world.. Therefore, we see that when the caliph dismissed him and Musa bin Nasir from the command, they obeyed the order with complete courtesy and respect and continued to live like ordinary people.. This was while they had enough power and support to rise against the Caliph and establish a new government for themselves..
۵) The attributes of Tariq, the commander of the Muslims, his army, his actions, the cities he conquered, the civilization he founded, etc. are too many to describe.. But we can only pray that the Lord will make us as a leader and leader and give honor and support to Islam once again like in the past..
And that in the war with Roderick, the arrogant and proud king of the Goths, they sent him soldiers and heavy weapons from all over Europe, the number of which reached 100,000 soldiers.(((Janjgu refers to those whose work was only war and killing, which was customary in Europe))) In contrast, 12,000 Muslims who did not take a single step back even though a quarter of the Muslims were martyred in the war and eventually won the war..
And interestingly, the Jews considered the Arabs to be the same race as themselves((Because of being Semitic))And they considered them to be a means of salvation from the old oppression..
Like the same praise he gives of Cyrus, and this is proof of their wickedness and hypocrisy, yet they consider themselves the best and the worst nation of the nation and the world, and God has created non-Jews as slaves for them.…
Although this is mentioned in the Torah:::Cyrus is honored in the text of the Old Testament of the Torah and is introduced as the savior of the Jews from the 70-year captivity in Babylon. . But in the same book, he was the executor of the desire and will and this word of the God of the Jews for the destruction of Babylon:
I myself will rise up against Babylon and destroy it . I will eradicate the Babylonian generation so that none of them will survive .
I will turn Babylon into a quagmire for owls to dwell in, I will sweep Babylon with the broom of destruction until all that she has)(((Isaiah, chapter 14, paragraphs 22 and 23)))
After seventy years I will punish the king of Babylon and his people for their sins and I will turn their land into an eternal ruin.(((Book of Jeremiah, chapter 25, paragraph 12)))
So what you say about ancient Iran is absolutely true and about the Arabs and their governments.
I am waiting for your answer. But Mr. Shamshad's friend should inform my friends via email when I publish my comment and the answer…
Greetings to Nik P
I am very grateful for the kindness of His Excellency
Great Iran
Thank you very much . Based on genetic studies, it has been found that our generation has a lot of relationship with the Elamites and has similar haplogroups.. Based on the theory, a group of Elamites go to the north of the Mazandaran Sea and then return after a few centuries due to the extreme cold and are mistaken for the Aryans.. We are always afraid that the Elamites are from the Semites or Arabs.. This genie research is related to Dr. Maziar Ashrafian Banab. You can read it on Wikipedia..
Our Iran has such strong historical roots that there is no need to fake it like neighboring countries that have just arrived!The fact is that this script is not completely Arabic and the Iranians played a role in the evolution of this script, but this is not a reason to confiscate this script in the name of Iran. The important point here is that Pahlavi and Avesta scripts are not Iranian and have Aramaic roots, Kufi and Nabataean also has Aramaic roots, and one of the most important reasons for the similarities between these two scripts is this issue. The important question that arises here is that if this script is completely Iranian and has nothing to do with Arabs, why does it have letters “ص”And”ط”Are there? Letters that have distinct and distinct pronunciation in Arabic, but in Farsi they are similar “س” And”T” We pronounce.
In the end, it doesn't matter if this script is Iranian or Arabic, but the important thing is that the current script has many problems and difficulties and is not suitable for the Persian language, and sooner or later it will change whether you like it or not..
Well, Aramaic is one of the Semitic languages and the Semitic have nothing to do with the Aryans.
Arabs are also of the Semitic race. Bring a language and script that is not at all related to the Semitic and this language is still alive. Then use Arabic and Persian letters..
I spoke about the line, not about the race of Arabs or Aryans!By the way, unlike the author, I said that this script is absolutely neither Iranian nor Arabic. In general, according to you, this script is not worth writing in Persian.
Hello, where is the question and answer section?
درود
parsiandej.ir/ask
By the way, who said that Zarathustra was killed by the Iranians? Zarathustra was killed by the Turanians. Next, I have a real question. They say that the Kurds are from the Medes. If it is true, that is better.
Over time, the Medes became Persians and then left. You can see that it is very different from Kurdish
Hello to all friends
I just saw and read this article. I should congratulate Mr. Amirinejad for his beautiful article. I read it along with the comments of my friends. It makes me proud to be with my friends who are researching for the future of their country and unraveling many issues and knots. This article is wonderful and I had read this article before in another place, but it was not as complete as this.
Be honest, dear
The great religions of the world, Jews, Christians, and Muslims are all Semites. Religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism, and Zoroastrianism are Aryan..
A son who does not have a sign from his father ….
I say clearly that we are the children of Sam ibn Noah.
It means that we know our father who lived more than 5000 years or more…
Who are you boys? Someone come and answer????
Masha…
How wise and mature and guided and evolved!!!!!!!
The Prophet of Islam worked hard all those years to say that the religion of Islam is universal, then you say here that the religion of Islam belongs to the Semitic race. How arrogant and stupid?
You, who are apparently Arabs, know yourself as the son of Sam bin Noah, and a European who is a Christian is the son of Sam bin Noah. What kind of brothers do you have in common? Who taught you this division, Hamed Jan?
Jews descended from Isaac(ع) And Muslims from the generation of Ismail(ع) and these two are the children of Hazrat Ibrahim (ع) Hazrat Noah lived before Hazrat Ibrahim.
When you say that a son who does not have a sign from his father, what does it mean, for example?
What an arrogant person you are, who even confuses the divine law with your racist tendencies.
Who allowed you to consider Zoroastrian with Buddha and Hindu as an Aryan? Which book are you in?
Hamed, even though I am a Muslim myself, I am sick of people like you because people like you have trashed Islam..
Whenever you bring a valid document for this division, then wait for the answer.
Arabs who claim that their fathers are known, but they died like cats and dogs.
The Arabs who consider themselves to be the inheritors of the great Prophet of Islam, but as soon as ISIS entered Iraq, they retreated like hyenas, but the zealous Kurds of Iranian origin, some of whom are not even Muslims.(Men and women) How fervently and oppressed they are resisting ISIS, and certainly such noble people have more honor than those cowards, and a small example of this fervent resistance is Kobani. This is where it becomes clear who have fathers and who are fatherless..
We still haven't forgotten when Saddam started the war against Iran(A nation whose majority religion was Arabs) Arabs from all Arab lands united with him like excited donkeys to get a piece of meat, they had the support of all the powers of the world, but after eight years they did not get even a single piece of this land. Yes, it is clear here. It is possible to know who has a father and who is fatherless. And we have not yet forgotten that during the war, some Kurds in Iraq were chemically bombed for helping Iran..
We have not yet forgotten that the Zionist regime was able to take over all the Arab lands in six days in the war with the Arabs in 1967, but the same Arabs did not achieve anything in the war with Iran and with the support of the same Israel even after eight years. In defense, they don't last more than six days, but in offensive mode, after eight years, they couldn't take even a single piece of land. Yes, this is where it becomes clear who has a father and who is fatherless. This is where the real value of gold is revealed..
It is very ugly to use religion as a means to achieve our goal.
Yes, you are absolutely right, Mr. Saeed
In answer to the illiterate Hamed who speaks frankly!It is very easy to find out the paternal and maternal ancestry with a genetic test. According to this test, you cannot find any country in the world where the genetic ancestry of all its people is the same, even if you say that all the people of a certain religion, which includes several countries. They may be from the same generation!
Every religion was born in a geographical point and after some time entered other lands, for example Christianity appeared in the western Middle East which was part of the Roman Empire at that time. After one or two centuries from the beginning of Christianity, one of the Roman emperors converted to this religion. He converted and forcefully promoted this religion throughout the Roman Empire, which included a large part of Europe. Later, this religion spread throughout Europe due to the connections that other lands had with Rome and the superiority of Roman civilization over other European countries. In other words, people's religion can be changed as a result of relations between ethnic groups, the propaganda of missionaries, and the dominance of one ethnic group over another ethnic group or by force.!The man who is openly joking is saying that suppose a Hindu becomes a Muslim, does that mean that his Jedo Abad will change when he changes his religion?!!!
Now no one knows exactly where you are. Unless a DNA test in a very reputable research center(a valid) And give it up in America. Now only the country you are born in and humanity has meaning. And this without the fact that Arabs and Turks are masters of falsifying history and telling lies to create an identity for themselves that they do not have..
Of course, I will continue to say that one or two Arab countries and many Arabs and Turks(Azeri) Iran are good people. I talked about the original and real race of Arabs and Ottoman Turks, which are still unknown in which countries they are.
Of course, we are all children of Adam, and surely our father was also in Noah's ark, and when Iranians were Zoroastrianism, which is a monotheistic religion, so Iranians are always monotheistic, while the rest of the nations are idolaters, and the oldest Jews are also in They live in Iran and there is no religion called Christianity at all, because Christ was only a evangelist, and if he had a religion, the fathers of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, would have been Christians, not Abrahamic, and according to the Quran, the religion of Prophet Abraham was Islam. . What I have said are tips for research, of course, if you are a researcher
Mr. Shamshadi, I am giving this last comment, I just wanted to tell Akhamsih that Ibn Nadim was living in the lunar year 377, so it has nothing to do with Tisphon.. Be sure to read its Arabic, also nothing is written !!!After all, it goes after Islam. I am Arab and Sami Bavan. I am proud like you to be an Indian-Iranian. .Anyway, according to Ms. Fatemeh, this issue is too long, bye
It is surprising that our friend Korosh is answering to someone who is not Iranian at all. This Arab lady, despite all her claims, still does not know if our language and culture were not superior, you would not have come to Farsi to let others know that you also have a culture.
The bedouins said, “We believe.” Say, “You do not believe.” Rather, say, “We have submitted.” And faith has not entered your hearts.…Hujurat, Surah 49, Verse 14.
The Bedouin Arabs said: We have believed! say: You have not believed, but say: We have accepted Islam, but faith has not yet entered your hearts!…»
“They confer upon you that they have embraced Islam. Say, do not confer confidant upon me your Islam, but rather God confer upon you that He has guided you to faith, if you are truthful.” Surah 47, Hujurat.
"They will bless you that they have embraced Islam, say: Do not leave your conversion to Islam on me; Rather, God will bless you for guiding you to faith, if (In the claim of faith) you are honest!»
And those of the Bedouins who had excuses came to be permitted…» Repentance/Sura 9, verse 90.
"And the apologists from the Arabs, (near you) They came without permission (Non-participation in Jihad) to be given…»
Mr. Saeed, we just laughed when our life was dragged here. In their speeches, they say that the history of Iran is the history of Zionism, or they expose and slander some of our kings, including Cyrus the Great, and they are creating grounds for erasing history, and now this woman who poured clean water on our hands. . Do they really say that the Arabs have a great civilization that is 2,500 years old, having Tisophon, Parse, Pasargad, and Hegmetane belonged to the Arabs, and they fought with the Greeks for 1,000 years, and the Suez Canal was also dug by one of the Arab kings, and we were the ones who ate camel milk in the deserts. And we lived as a lizard and a tribe and we were constantly fighting and quarreling with each other, then suddenly we remembered that a rich, civilized Arab government is right next to us, how can we go and loot it? .
Laughing is enough. Laughing at the distortion of the history of great Iran is a crime against us!
Mr. Korosh, why did you take my words as a whole? I said, "Don't see the answer of this apparently respectable lady. I didn't say that you don't see the answer of those who talk like this. Pay attention to what I said.":”He did not see the answer”
Mr. Korosh, you are absolutely right, but as I remember, this lady has been around for several months(Or if I'm not mistaken, it's been more than a year) who is talking about this nonsense and every time he is faced with a firm answer, he is fooling around again..
If you have noticed, this lady respects the cursed Omar, and as can be seen from her views, she considers herself to be a Muslim, so there is no stronger answer than the Qur'an for this lady, and according to her, the Qur'an is the word of God. Now pay attention. Mr. Al-Sin brought them a verse from the Qur'an that clearly pointed out the infidelity and hypocrisy of the Bedouin Arabs, but what was the answer of this lady? We are writing to you again.:
Shahla : “This book did not say anything special”
Now I have a question for you: Do you think it is useful to discuss with such a person who considers himself a Muslim and then comments like this about the Quran?
Or when we tell him that women don't have the right to drive in Saudi Arabia, he says, "Where in the world do they throw acid on women?":This lady is so weak in terms of comparison that she knows these two things as one and the same. Yes, throwing acid on a woman is a very ugly act, but first of all, this ugly act is considered an abnormality and a violation of the law in Iran, and it is treated as a wrongdoer, and secondly, how many Did someone in Iran do an ugly thing? But not having the right to drive for women in Saudi Arabia is not only not an anomaly, it is a law and all the people implement this ugly law. Being considered an anomaly in a country is very different from an ugly act becoming a law in a country.
Well, what happened? Now that I answered him, he was satisfied? Dear friend, if a proverb was common among the ancient people, it was definitely based on experience, so it is not for nothing that they say:
” Abolhan's answer is silence”
I don't like to judge her character so that she gets upset later, but based on what I know about this lady, I will say it again:”He did not see the answer”
Their claims are not at all to the extent that we want to bother ourselves about them .
Arab proverbs mean the people of the village of the comparison, 2 classes of people, then if he wanted to be compared, he would have cursed, but you have self-confidence, you had 2 prophets, according to your own words, at that time, what happened to them, that Naz Mani, who Bahram Shahbache tortured and killed barbarians, and he was from Zardasht .. . Do you know where he is buried? …You know the rest
Greetings to dear Alf Sin
Although you gave this strong and tooth-breaking answer before(There was no stronger answer than the Qur'anic verse, of course for someone who considers himself a Muslim) But, unfortunately, a person who is drawn to weakness of understanding cannot be cured.
He is an unemployed person, you can be sure that if the whole world answers this, he will not go away again and will mess around again..
If you want my opinion(all friends) Don't see the answer at all, and whenever you see it, comment and just laugh and that's it. As soon as someone doesn't answer it, it's enough for them, I think even their own family doesn't accept them..
Indeed, only you loved the civilization of the Samihan, the Greeks also called it the capital of their state, making Seleucia near the magnificent Babylon, as well as near the glorious Damascus, building Mantakia, so that you can use their knowledge and science. 2. You think 1000 years is not too much. Did you calculate the kilo? Until 122 AD, Babylon was in the hands of the Greeks, how come 1000...!!!!!
This shows that the Arabs of Iraq are longer than you )Of course, 100% the same.) It is questionable that your capital has moved from a place with good water and air to a tropical region … This book did not say anything special. Read the book of Ancient Civilizations by Lavan and Professor Tabatabai .. 3. Moving the capital is the use of human and literate manpower of that region
I think Mrs. Shahla is more looking for attention
Repetitive but necessary
قران سوره توبه آیه ۹۷ آمده “الأَعْرَابُ أَشَدُّ کُفْرًا وَنِفَاقًا وَأَجْدَرُ أَلاَّ یَعْلَمُواْ حُدُودَ مَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ عَلَى رَسُولِهِ وَاللّهُ عَلِیمٌ حَکِیمٌ” معنی “عربهای بادیه نشین کافرتر و منافق تر از دیگرانند و به بی خبری از احکامی که خدا بر پیامبرش نازل کرده است سزاوارترند و God is All-Knowing and All-Wise."
This is a Quranic verse that you cannot deny, it is not a museum or a fake book .
Pay more attention to the words Al-Arab, the most severe disbelief and hypocrisy
We still don't have an Arab country where proper elections will be held.
What can you say...
Arabs do not mean Arabs, but Bedouins, and when you call an Arab an Arab, you have actually insulted him..
We have in the hadith that:
” Immigrant licks the Arabs, counterfeiting the anti-Arab immigrant … three ]seven[ One of the major sins, among which is Arabization after migration, is that he returns to the desert, and resides with the Bedouins after he was an immigrant, and whoever returns after migration to his place without an excuse is considered an apostate.”( Ibn Manzoor, 1956, 587)
In this hadith, Taarab after emigration is one of the major sins. It is obvious that being an Arab or a foreigner is not in the hands of a person to lose or gain after migration. It is clear that Taarab means Bedouin settlement.
In confirmation of this important point that the respected author mentioned :
They asked the people of Hamir about this line (Arabic ) From what you learned, they said from the people of Anbar. Anbar is a city 10 miles away from Tisfon (1,000-year-old capital of Parthians and Sasanians) whose name was Firuz Shapour.
From the list of Ibn Nadim ( The most reliable Islamic documents of the third century are from Ibn Nadim)
Mrs. Shahla, I understand your words that the west of Iran belonged to the Arabs… He also hits Saddam . In this way, little by little, you are moving towards separatism. Why do you stone the Arabs so much? Did you not read and hear what crimes the Arabs did to ancient Iran? Did you not see the Iraq attack on Iran? Did you not hear what they did to our pilgrims? These Arabs' crimes and violence are their identity even after 1400 years. They were not fixed and they will not be fixed. Dad, these words are from Semitic, Aryan and Turkish race… None of them are true. You will not find pure race anywhere in the world. It matters who for his country(Iran) To what extent does he value and respect and take steps towards his progress?. Now he can be of any race he wants. But the share of the Arabs is different because throughout history they committed the biggest crimes against Iran, so surely an Iranian will not get along with these Arabs..
Bro, he has officially introduced himself as a representative of the Arabs with this comment. He is a myth. He is like the same person. Arguing with such a person is a matter of beating the water in a mortar. He has a very special fever of Arabism since he was a child. He has done a good job in this matter. God, I say he is a white guy who has brains. It has been washed, which means that it is the original, the hair does not fall apart
Mr. Korosh, these racist words are unlikely to contradict Islamic rules
Khushijun, please don't talk, don't talk about civilization, I'm fainting from laughter
It is true that they say that when the city gets crowded, the frog will shoot a revolver
A person who is sleeping can be woken up, but a person who has beaten himself to sleep cannot be woken up
You know that exercise improves blood supply to all parts of the body, I suggest that you do the same, maybe some blood will reach your brain, come out of your imagination, get off our hands, and wake up from your sleep hahahahaha
Did you pay attention, you have a lot of spelling mistakes, I can't read your text:))))
I think Mrs. Shahla is more looking for attention
Repetition is required
قران سوره توبه آیه ۹۷ آمده “الأَعْرَابُ أَشَدُّ کُفْرًا وَنِفَاقًا وَأَجْدَرُ أَلاَّ یَعْلَمُواْ حُدُودَ مَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ عَلَى رَسُولِهِ وَاللّهُ عَلِیمٌ حَکِیمٌ” معنی “عربهای بادیه نشین کافرتر و منافق تر از دیگرانند و به بی خبری از احکامی که خدا بر پیامبرش نازل کرده است سزاوارترند و God is All-Knowing and All-Wise."
This is a Quranic verse that you cannot deny, it is not a museum or a fake book .
Pay more attention to the words Al-Arab, the most severe disbelief and hypocrisy
We still don't have an Arab country where proper elections will be held.
What can one say? …