Are the Bakhtiaris the survivors of the Achaemenids?
Below we discuss some of the main reasons for this discussion, which leads to the proof of this issue：
۱- Herodotus, the famous Greek writer and historian, writes this way in his book History of the Achaemenians： Hakhamanesh (Ancestor of Cyrus) It was headed by Ili Kochero from the Pars tribe, who was in the Bakhtiari mountains (Middle Zagros) they lived. And in fact, Achaemenid is born of Bakhtiari mountains.
۲- Cyrus the Great writes in his charter： (I am Cyrus their king. The king of the four corners of the world…) Cyrus mentions them first in this text. The place itself was born there, and in fact, the great Achaemenid Empire was formed and expanded from this region. It should not be said that Anshan is the name of present-day Izeh in Khuzestan and one of the important cities of his government at that time, where the central temples of idolatry were located.(Thank you) This is the present Suleiman Mosque, which is a completely Bakhtiari-populated area.
۳- the dress that Achaemenid kings and soldiers wore; If we look closely, it is very similar to Bakhtiari men's clothes (Chuga) has it. name”Chuga” Also derived from “Chughazanbil” Zoroastrian and Achaemenid temple.
۴- Shirsingi (Bradsher) which the Bakhtiaris place on the graves of their elders is one of the symbols of the capitals of Persepolis.
سلام درود فراوان و با احترام به هموطنان عزیزم … خیلی ساده میتوان پس برد که کوروش بزرگ زاده کدام قوم و یا قبیله ایران است اینجا یه پرانتز باز کنم (کدام قوم ایران بیشترین تاریخ را در ایران دارد ) دوم فرهنگ کدام قوم نزدیکترین به فرهنگ هخامنشان است و سوم کدام نژادایرانی بیشترین شباهت به هخامنشیان دارن …. و چهارم زادگاه کوروش در کدام منطقه از ایران است ….. وقتی به این گزینه ها نگاه میکنی و فکر میکنی از هر جهت( The Bakhtiaris )نزدیکترین قوم به هخامنشیان است کما اینکه( ترکها ، بلوچها ، فارسها ، کردها و دیگر اقوام ایرانی تاریخی بسیار کمتر در ایران دارند و فرهنگ آنها بسیار فاصله دارد از هخامنشیان … مانند ساز سرنا یا کرنا (ساز هخامنشیان که امروزه بسیار در قوم بختیاری طرفدار دارد و این رسم همچنان پابر جاست و یا لباس بختیاری چغا یا چوقا نقش این لباس برگرفته از چغازمبیل است …. پس اگر شما هموطن عزیز اگر مدرکی داری که کوروش بزرگ از قبیله شما بوده لطفا باسند و مدرک حرف بزنید و توهین به دیگر اقوام نکنید …. در آخر آرزوی سربلندی برای هموطنانم دارم در این سالهای پر از غم و اندوه
هخامنشیان همان پشتونهای آریایی افغان هستن که جنگجویان نابغه ای بودند و هستن و در هر قرنی و هر کشوری باشند لیدر هستن
Regarding the writings of Hamdullah Mostofi, of course, there is a possibility that Bakhtiari went to Jabal al-Samaq and Syria and returned to these areas #but we must refer to the source of the results of DNA tests, which show a great similarity between Bakhtiari's paternal DNA and Syrian Arabs. LT is
We have no such thing as the Arab race. عرب‌ها خودشان اجداد یونانی، ایرانی، ایتالیایی و سیاهپوست و بابلی و گلدانی و سومری و بنی‌اسرائیلی و… have. بنابراین شباهت مردم ایران و سوریه نه بخاطر مهاجرت مردم سوریه به ایران بود!! بخاطر مهاجرت ایرانیان به سوریه بود. ژنتیک‌باستان‌شناسی چنین مزخرفاتی را تأیید نمیکند. اتفاقاً برعکس آن را تأیید می‌کند! مردم عرب حدود ۲۷٪ خونشان را مدیون اجداد ایرانی هستند.بیش از هزارسال کشورهای عرب‌زبان تحت سیطره ایرانیان بودند (از زمان عیلامی تا ساسانیان!) پس چرند نفرمایید و خودتان به مردم غیر ایرانی نچسبانید. ضمناً چپ و راست شما هی میگید حمدالله مستوفی حمدالله مستوفی به چیزی یاد گرفتید دیگه مثل کَنه بهش چسبدید… دیگه ول کنید ای بابا
Don't write poetry, please, until the Qajar period, no name of Bakhtiari was seen anywhere in history # مورخین از کوههای زاگرس نوشتن اونوقت شما نوشتین کوههای بختیاری بعد داخل پرانتز نوشتین زاگرس میانی # بختیاریها منطقه انشان یا ایذه یا هرجای ایران هم دوهزار و هفتصد سال پیش تا الان سکونتگاه اقوام مختلفی بوده چغازنبیل هم که مربوط به دوران عیلامیه نه هخامنشی# در ضمن حمدالله مستوفی نوشته که بختیاری و ممسنی و چندین طایفه دیگه حدود نهصد سال پیش از سوریه و شامات به این منطقه آمدن #نتایج آزمایشات ژنتیکی هم این نظریه رو قوی‌تر میکنه
کوروش لر بختیاری بوده نگفته من پارس هستم منظور که گفته پارس هستم یعنی همون ایرانی هستم لرها ایلامی یا همان کاسی هستن که ۱۲ هزار ساله در ایران زندگی میکنن و از قدیم از ایلام و اصفهان و خوزستان و لرستان و مرکزی و استان فارس و کرمان زندگی میکنن
No, my dear, talk with documents – اصلا بختیاری ها لر نبودن و حتی خود کوروش کبیر لر ها رو با زور شمشیر مطیع خود ساخت
According to the documents of Greek historians, the Persian tribes were divided into six urban and ten-dwelling tribes and four nomadic tribes..
According to them, the urban clans were:: Pasargadians, Murphians, Maspians, Pantalians, Drusians, Germanians; Also, there are four nomadic clans: Dais, men, dropsies, Sagartis
Today, the separation of these clans is not clear. The Greek Ctesias has introduced Cyrus the Great from the Mardi tribe. Also, the soldiers of Ariobarzan have been introduced to the army of Mardians and Sogdians. The men were members of the Achaemenid Immortal Guard and fought in the center of the Achaemenid army and around the king..
The men fought alongside Ariobarzen, and after Alexander captured Persepolis, he again attacked the men's tribe in the mountains around Persepolis and suppressed them again.. Until the Qajar era, men lived in Beida, Sepidan, Mamsani and Yasouj under the name Tirmardan or Men's tribe.. Tirmardan river and castle in Doshmen Ziyari Mamsani still exists. The rest of this clan were exiled to Jahrom and Sirjan Kerman due to their support of Lotf Ali Khan Zand, and they are known as Lori Sohrab Khani in Sirjan and Soltani in Jahrom.. In the book of Sardar Asad Bakhtiari, the translation of the inscription of Kol Farah Izeh is mentioned, who wrote that this inscription was carved by the kings of men who were a part of ancient Elam, and wrote that I, the king of men, conquered this place.. Therefore, from Izeh to the vicinity of Persepolis, they are called Anshan and it was ruled by men or men or men's tribe..
From the race of men, later kings of Bazrangi(Bazrangian) They arose because the name of their king was Bazrang, and until the Sassanids were formed in the Ron Plain, which today is mistakenly called the Rum Plain. (Boyer Ahmad) Ardashir grew up in Gochahar Bazarangi's court in Memsani's Sefid Castle and under his tutelage.. The old Bazrang Plain was today's Yasuj, and the Garmsir Bazrangian is Bazrang Chenarshahijan, which still has the same name.. Later, they built the city of Bishahpur in Kazroon near the current village of Bazrang.
The Achaemenid center of Lidoma was in Fehlian Mamseni, and there is the tomb of Da and Dover, which is similar to the tomb of Darius.. Lidoma Palace, which is very similar to Persepolis, was discovered as the fourth Achaemenid palace. You can see the word Lidoma with a simple search.. There is a large Korangon inscription in Memseni related to Achaemenid ancestors next to Lidoma.
What is certain is that the people of Bakhtiari, Kohgiluyeh and Boyer Ahmad, Mamsani, Sepidan Fars, Beyza Fars, Marvdasht, Arsanjan Fars, Kazron and Kohchenar Fars were all from the tribe of Lertbar men.. And all of them wore black or pale black shawls, Qabas and round hats. The current dress of Bakhtiari was made official and mandatory in order to create unity during the Qajar era. The video of the drilling of the first oil well in Suleiman Mosque shows the Bakhtiari people with shawls and robes and clothes similar to Lorestan, Boyer and Mamsani..
A friend pointed out that in the book of Hamdallah Mostofi, it is mentioned that the Iranian soldiers came from Syria, they are returning from Syria because the Seljuk sultan had gone to Syria and Lebanon to help Salah al-Din Ayubi to help the Muslims in the Crusades against the Christians. And because of the harsh attitude of the Sunnis who had declared the blood of Shiites permissible by Imam Muhammad Ghazali of the Sunni religion and had executed a large number of Shiites, along with the Hashemite Arab Shiites who were from Hejaz, they returned to Iran and later formed Atabakan Ler or Thousand Horses in Izeh. they give. These were 36 Ler clans who had gone to Syria.
The unity of Ler people as an authentic and Iranian ethnic group of Elamite and Aryan will preserve the integrity of our beloved Iran..
Greetings to all dear ones
من فردی از آنزان یا همان ایذه یا انشان هستم بختیاریم زادگاه کورش در کول فرح ایذه بوده و بختیاری ها همان هخوامنشیان هستن بدون شک
جک نگو تورو خدا
مرسی اینو خوب اومدی
If Iran did not have Bakhtiari land
Who will conquer Tehran?
When no Iranian, government or non-government
It's hard to deal with English…
شیر علی مردان خان بختیاری بود که به انگلیسیها میگفت
If the English eagle flies in the sky of Iran
I will ransom his feathers
Long live Bakhtiari
But Iran should not have Bakhtiari land
Until you and your ilk worshiped the Queen of England
Bakhtiaris are Medes and Bactrians. Compare the Bakhtiari tribes with Medes, for example Mog or Mogoi, Astrakhti or Asterki, Bodi or Bavadi, Busi or Besak, Arizenti or Arpanahi and…Even the Persians are covered by Madiye, there is a tribe in Ilam called Maspi, which is one of them, and the Kurds are from the Zagarti and Germani of Parsen, and the Soran tribe is the same Soren Parthian, the Horami are the same as the Arameans, and the Gilani are from the Persian Amard….
ببیند عزیزان شما تاریخ ایران برعکس میدونید طبق تاریخ بختیار ها ولر ها قوم کردند من خودم بختیاریم که اینو میگم کرد قبل از هخامنشی قوم ماده قدر دست داشته مادر کورش از لر های بختیاری یعنی کورش خواهر زاده لر های بختیاری خود کورش پدرش پارس بوم قوم پارس از شیراز اصفهان کرمان تا سیتان فلات مر کزی ایران ولی قوم پارس در جنگ آوری قدرت همچون قوم ماد نداشته وقدر ت کورش از قوم ماده قوم ماد طبق سند الان کردستان سوریه کردستان عراق زاگرس نشیان ایران بوده وزبان لری از اختلات زبان پارسی و مادی بوجود آمد مثل لک ها که از لری وکردی هست که بعدحکومت هخامنشی ها از اسنکدر مقدونی لر ها یا ماد ها چون اون موقع ایم لر و کرد نبوددقومدماد پس میگرن وحکومت ساسانی که بنیان گذاری میکنند تنها قوم جنگد وکشور گشا ایران قوم ماد بود اند قوم پارس قوم خلاق بوده مثل یزدها اصفهانیا ولی قوم جنگجوی نبوده اند وقوم پارت هم که تاجکیسان و افغانستان رفته اند لرها در ایران اقدامات مهمی انجام داده فتح مشروطه را لر ها انجام دادن به ستار خان باقر خان تمامش کرده اند افغانیها را لر ها از ایران بیرون کرده شاه حسین افقان که حکومت صفویه رو از ترکها گرفتن لرهای آنها رو بیرون کردند لشکر کشی به هند آوردن کوه نور دریا نور لره یابگم مادها انجام داده اند سرزمین مصر قوم ماد گرفته است زمان هخامنشی افتخارات ایران را قوم ماد رقم زده است
Other countries also have ancient monuments. The whole honor of the Achaemenids was to destroy the Egyptian civilization. Because it seems that it was with their conquest that Egypt was destroyed. None of the Bakhtiari words are similar to the old Persian of the Achaemenid period. That loose dress similar to a skirt and colored eyes make them closer to being Greek. In my opinion, this qibla is the remnants of Alexander's soldiers who ruled the Seleucids and did not rule at all.. Finally, they should be here.
Bakhtiari is one of the most noble ethnic groups in Iran!!!
What are you talking about? Now I don't know if they are from the generation of Cyrus and Achaemenians or not, but they are of Iranian origin.….What you are saying is an insult!
Their clothes are similar to Achaemenian clothes or other periods of ancient Iran and have nothing to do with Greece or anything like that.!
What do you say about these things? They are the first ones, some say that the Bakhtiaris are from the roots of Kasia. They know that the area under their rule was the Zagros mountains. Do you not agree? Read the book with you, or search for the history of Iran before Islam. After that, the Bakhtiaris fought with Alexander. I don't know the reason for this
اینا چی میگن یه موشت ترسو دارن از بختیاری ها حرف میزنن
Hello friends
It doesn't matter which tribe you are.
You also heard that Cyrus the Great conquered everywhere
Regardless of race and beliefs, he served his people and these statements have a historical document.
Now it is really unfortunate that some people make the issue ethnic and religious. من خودم بختیاری ام ، ولی بدون تعصب میگم ، مهم نیست که از کدوم بوده ، مهم اینه که نام ایران جاودانه باشه و کوروش بزرگ هم همین خواسته رو داشته.
Payende Iran
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It is correct to bring it to English, but it has another meaning
What does Persian Achaemenians have to do with Lor and Bakhtiari?
If you don't have eyes, don't complain! The proverb says: Either full salary or full salary
تو دیگه چی میگی چه ربطی به مرودشت داره
no no sir .. Koresh was born” Neyriz ” It is Fars and its origin is Pasargadi or the city of Parse, i.e. present-day Marvdasht ! If we say according to your words that his father was the head of the Ili, it is not the Bakhtiari family ! Rather, it is Basari tribe or Basargadi tribe ! I am Persian and born in Shiraz . There are many traces of Achaemenid life around Lake Marlow . Whatever it was, it has nothing to do with Zagros . Thankful
A camel sees cotton seeds in a dream. In the entire history of the province, there have been some great men. Now the people of your city have courage . It was the same in the past. So stop stealing Bakhtiari's history
Friends, according to all studies and Bakhtiari's death, he is also mentioned in the history of Bei Nahrin, or like a book of the era. 13 The author of this book is a Jew and has nothing to do with Iran and Iranianness, but you can get it directly from the authentic book of the 13th century in the Amazon bookstore.
هخامنش زه ایل لر وورستا، پخشو پلا وابی یه منه دنیا، مو تاته زا کوروش و اردشیرم مو تخت جمشیدمو برد شیرم ،گرفتی هم وطن یه کم غیرت ملی گرایی داشته باشین یه نگاهی ب مرزهای کشورمون بندازین ببینین هنگ مرزی دست کیه ،نامت جاودان کوروش بزرگ روزت پیشاپیش مبارک زنده باد ایران زنده باد بختیاری
Greetings to the Bakhtiari people
The first and last of Iran is the land “Bakhtiari” Male and female lions of Ilam ❤❤
این عکس من و پسر عموهامه مااز قوم لر و ایل بختیاری هستیم کورش بزرگ افتخار همه ایرانیان هست چه باهخامنشیان از یه قوم ونژاد باشیم یا نباشیم مهم نیست اصل مطلب اینه که من ایرانی هستم و کورش هم ایرانی بود
غیر ممکنه کوروش بختیاری باشه فقط یه عده تعصبی بدون هیچ اطلاعاتی چنگ به تاریخ میزنند یه مثال ساده بزنم،از کجا معلوم انشان اولا سکونت گاه اصلی بختیاری ها بوده؟؟معلول نیست چند فرقه در طول این چند هزار سال به دلیل جنگ و حمله دشمنان ساکنین جابجا شدن مثلا تو شهر ما که خوزستان هست تا ۵۰سال پیش یه خانواده بختیاری ساکن نبود اما امروز تمام بختیاری ها از همه جای ایران مهاجرت کردن با جرأت باید گفت ۶۰درصد جمعیت شهر شده بختیاری و یه جورایی شهرو بخاطر جمعیت زیادشون تصرف کردند و جالبه الان هم نسل جدیدشون میگن شهر ماست حالا بماند تا صد سال آینده نتیجه هاشون ادعا میکنند این مکان سکونت گاه اجدادی ما بوده.خب اون زمان انشا مردمانی شهر نشین بودند نه عشیار، همه مردم ایران اطلاع دارندبختیاری از دیرباز عشیار بودند نه کاخ نشین و شهر نشین ،در نتیجه مثل همین امروز که شهر ما رو دارن به اسم خودشون می زنند چند صد سال پیش شهر انشان و دیگر شهرها رو به اسم خودشون دراوردن درضمن چغا به معنی تپه ،اسم چغازنبیل هیچ ارتباطی به چوقا بختیاری نداره چغازنبیل معبد دوره عیلامی ها بوده
شما اصالت خودت را بگو ببینم بلدی گیر دادی بجایی که مد تمدن ایرانه پارس و ایلامی همه یه قوم بودن با طوایف مختلف که طبیعیست نامشان متفاوت است شماها شناختی از فرهنگ شهرهای متمدن ندارید به زور دارید نام پارس که مربوط به شهرهای لرنشین است را می گیرید چون اصالتتان نامشخص است پارس و ایلامی اقوام ساکن در خوزستانند و شما ها پارس نیستید
Lor was a scientist from Parsumash who was given this title by Dariush Achaemenshi.
And
The Lers were, are, and will be palace dwellers
If you are the owner of Khuzestan, then your population would prevail, shut that mouth and brain full of knots
In my opinion, clans and clans of the Four Langs are descendants of the Sasanians
Alas for you that your blind bigotry forbids you to accept that Cyrus is a leer
I really doubt your writing jokes instead of commenting
You can search on the internet ( Chuga : Lor Bakhtiari men's clothing ) And see the results? When you see the similarity and the stain of jealousy is removed from your eyes, everything is clear
The current land of Bakhtiari has been the settlement of "different" human groups for thousands of years. Various evidences show that the ancient land of Bakhtiari was inhabited ten thousand years ago. Natural resources and facilities, such as water, forests, pastures, adequate rainfall, abundant reservoirs, and valleys suitable for agriculture, had turned this land into one of the best habitats and gathering places for human groups in the past.. In addition to these facilities, in the heights of Zagros and its slopes, it had provided a suitable environment for the growth of fodder plants and various species of animals..
Archaeological evidence
Archaeological excavations show that human habitation in this area reaches forty thousand years.. Cultural remnants of the Paleolithic, Mesolithic, Neolithic and urban periods can be seen in this area.. The land of Bakhtiari is among the limited lands where humans domesticated animals and plants for the first time, or in other words, began the life of tenement and agriculture, which is necessary for the emergence of civilization..
من یک لر ممسنی هستم چوقا در قدیم در بین تما لرها مرسوم بوده چوقا بختیار برگرفته از چوقای فیلی است ما همه لر هستیم البته با نزدکی زیاد به پارسیان
Click on the Internet to read about Philly's shirt. I first saw a picture of my grandfather with this dress, then I researched
Mr. Ler Mamseni, it is not bad for you to refer to the original clothes of Ilet ladies!
And also very beautiful, original and……
The symbol of Lerha Choqa is one of the most authentic clothes in Iran.
You are enmity with your friend
of job
This gentleman also said the same
Hi
خداروهزارمرتبه شکرخود کوروش کبیر داره تو کتیبه اش مستقیما میگه من شاه انشان هستم همون ایذه کنونی ک کاملا بختیاری نشینه حالا نمیدونم چرا بعضیا اینقدبشون فشار میاد میگن بختیاری بوده
Well, this is a truth, now you are fooling yourselves.
It is interesting that there is another group, they claim that they are from the Elamites, it is not known who is attacking them, may God heal them, the name of the tribe is Dezfuli, only God has given them a language. ??
Well, the problem is that you are not using your brain
In the same inscription, it was written that their king is the king of Elam
Greetings to a unified Iran
Friends, as Mr. Shamshad Amiri said, ideas without mentioning the source are rejected…
According to Herodotus, the father of Persian history, there were several tribes, the Pasargadians, the Maraspians, and the Maspians in the Middle Zagros region, the Mardins in the southern plains of Persepolis, and the Garmans in Kerman.…..The Kermanshahs of Northern Zagros and other areas spread and pointed out precisely that the curve of the Karoun river, where it moves towards the Jalga, on both sides of its coast and in the area of Parsumash, which is the present-day Suleiman Mosque (According to the opinion of French Grishman, the slave area of Suleiman Mosque is located)هخامنش بزرگ پاسارگادیان که از خانواده شاهی بود قلعه ساخته و که طبق نظر گریشمن کورش بزرگ در همین قلعه بدنیا امده و جا دارد این نکنه نیز اضافه شود که در کشور ما هر جا سخن از سلیمان هست مربوط به کورش هخامنشی است طوری که بعد از اسلام برای جلوگیری از تخریب آثار هخامنشی بدست اعراب پاسارگاد را قبر مادر سلیمان و پارسوماس زادگاه کورش را مسجد سلیمان خوانده شده…..Friends, no positive result will be obtained from destroying each other. Let's all try to follow the unity of the Iranian peoples and instead of useless arguments, we should raise our studies and be aware of our roots and history. Indeed, a nation that is aware of its history will never fail and learn from history. They learn a lesson and do not seek to experience history again……Greetings to a patriotic Iranian who is aware of history.
Memsani is the origin of Achaemenids, especially Cyrus, namely Achaemenid, Chisipish, Cyrus I, Kambojie I, Cyrus II(Cyrus the Great) and Cambogia II, the son of Cyrus the Great, who was the conqueror of Egypt and the founder of the 27th dynasty of Egyptian pharaohs…After the weakness and decline of Elam, the Persians took power and soon their land(Mamsani and Boyer) He left it to Koresh, which started from today's Behbahan and went up to Milian Beyda(Calibration) It was wide…Before the plains of Elam (Khuzestan) left it to his other son Aryarmene…For this reason, some historians divide the Achaemenids into Cyrus in Anshan and Darius in the Elam plain.…As it was written, the beginning of the Achaemenid period was in Anshan itself and in today's Memseni.…All the palaces of Achaemenid until Kamboja II are the children of Cyrus the Great, that is, from Achaemenid to Kamboja II.(the Cyrus)….Aryarmene, the elder brother of Koresh, who had the power in the Khuzestan plain, after him, the power passed to his son, Vishtasep, and with the death of Kamboja, on his return from Egypt, Darius the Great, the son of Vishtasep, took power, and his power extended beyond the Elam plain.(Khuzestan) became the successor of Cambogia, the emperor of the Achaemenid Empire, and the name Pars, which was an expression of race, was applied to the entire plains of Elam and Anshan. This is the reason why it was during the time of Darius that Pars gave the Achaemenid region as a governmental name to the Achaemenid Empire as a racial term. Or so Cyrus said in his glorious speech in Babylon after the conquest of Babylon:From today, our empire will be called Achaemenid in memory of my grandfather, and until the end of Cambodia, it was called by the same name.…The tribes that remain in Memsani today have kept their ancient names….Javid, whose name is Yadgareh Javid guard of Achaemenid and Sassanid immortals…Rostam is the memory of Rostam Dostan…Behkish Yadgar Mobdan…The enemy of Zyari who did not take the 17th souvenir is Memseni and Boyer and all over Pars with Zyyar clan during the days of Dilmian who is the enemy of Zyari(Enemies of Al-Ziyar) became famous…Dilemians were among the survivors of Bahram Gur who fled to the north after the fall of Sassanid and during the time of Al-Ziyar in Pars they tried hard to establish a new Sassanid in Iran and the battle of Baghdad and…It was one of their struggles, but they did not succeed…After the fall of the Achaemenid Empire and the rise of the Parthians, Pars did not accept the Parthians as a king, although the early Parthians were especially militarily dependent on Pars, and even the Javid Guard continued to live under the same name during the Parthian era, but the assassination of Soren Sardar A Persian name whose birthplace is the East region, which is called Paradoma in the Achaemenid tablets, and today is called Sorenabad Javed Mamsani.(Contrary to what the Sistani claim, Soren was a Persian, not a Sistani) Even Rostam Dastan was from the tribe of men and Zagrossi on his father's side, and he was the grandson of Mehrab Kabuli on his mother's side, that's why the family of Rostam Mamsani is called Rostam Dastan, the White Fortress of Mamsani.(white castle) which is given in Shahnameh….The reader of the book, Speid, was the fortress, the hope of the Iranians…The strap is stretched from side to side…Bahlo is still the same name as the village at the foot of the White Fortress and Pahlo is also Pahlian(Fahlian is today).This fort is also known as Esfadiar fort and it is the same fort that Afrasiab and Sohrab attacked and there is a famous prisoner called Sohrab prison above the fort and below the fort is the village of Dasht Razm, whose name is known as a place where the battle between Rostam and Sohrab took place. it fell….On all sides, the assassination of Soren and even Vishka was the Parthian fear of the return of power to Persia, the relationship between Parthia and Parthia became darker, and by minting Parthian coins with Greek goddesses, it provoked strong opposition from Parsis to the point that Parsis minted its own coins for the same reason. The reason for the name Iran during the Parthian era was Parthia, and Pars was not considered to be part of it, because Pars did not believe in Parthia….Later, from the old days(Mamsani, Kohgilouye and Boyerahmad) The Sassanids rose and reunified the Iranian plateau with exemplary nationalism and brought it to Achaemenid glory.…Elam, meaning beyond the water, is the name of the land of Iran in one of the Mesopotamian languages…What they call the Elamites are the Khozi people, and their main land is west of Bushehr and south of Khuzestan, and today their survivors live in the same areas, but all over Khuzestan.(The plains of Elam) and them(From Behbahan to Kohgiluyeh Boyerahmad, Memsani and to Milian Beyza) It was in the power of Elam until the Achaemenids in the old Anshan(Mamsani and Boyer) They took power….Arabs hoard them(Mamsani's old name) And Anshank was called Baida….The ancient tribe of Mamasen, which some have taken to mean the great elders, which is derived from the words Meh and Sen, and some call its letters from words that mean the sign of a seal.(Sun) And it is Venus…The extent of this ancient clan started from Goyim of Shiraz and continued to the lords of Bakhtiari. It had 14 big clans and was known as 14 Guerrilla Guerrillas.(Javed, Bekhish, Rostam and Doshen Ziari) The disintegration of the Mamasen clan began in the Mongol era and reached its peak during the Qajar era and the massive migrations to Sistan(Memorials of Sistan) The migration of the Qaids to the south, the migration of the Makunds, which originated from this clan, Ali Delwari(Children of spears = spear throwers) Bakhtiari and other tribes that migrated to Bakhtiari, which are known today as Membini, Kiani, Mamsani, and Javed, Javand.…Some of them migrated to Iraqi Kurdistan, which are known as Masni, Sanjabi, and some tribes migrated to Lorestan…Boyer clan(archers) Today, it is known as the province of Kohgiluyeh and Boyer Ahmad…Many years after the fall of Sassanid, Mehrgan became the ruler of Javid Mamsani. At that time, Javid was the size of a large clan, and it started from the Goyim of Shiraz, which is the western border of Mamsani, and Aspidan.(White) Melian Plain, Parsigan(Parsijan) Sorenabad(Paradoma) Up to today's Fahlian bridge, which is the eastern boundary of Javid's two-story bridge, it was the area of Javid's tribe, and even when Javid was reduced to the size of a clan, it never shared an ilkhanate with today's Mamsani clans, and even today, those class divisions in 7 Sassanid classes are seen in Javid. Vertical movement can be done on hard floors…Today, the village of Keira(Cora) In Javid, which is most likely the birthplace of Koresh Korai(Cyrus the Great) Okay, in memory of Mehrgan Sasani Mehrangan(Mehranjan Javid) It is called and its old place is still called Kora. After Mehrgan Giluyeh, he became the Sassanid ruler and then the ruler of all of Mamasen.(great mamsani)It happened that nowadays Gilomar Javed and Kohgiloye(Giloy mountain) They are relics of Sassanid Giloyeh…The tomb known as Da and Dover in Mamseni is considered to be the tomb of Achaemenid Cyrus I, and some historians believe it to be related to the mother and daughter of Cyrus II.(Cyrus the Great) They know. The Achaemenians and Sassanians arose from the present-day Memseni and Boer, and the Achaemenians, who were from the tribe of men, took power after the decline of the Khozis, known as the Elamites.…In one of the inscriptions, I think Xerxes calls himself King of Men in Susa, and Darius mentions Cyrus the Korai in one of the inscriptions.…Memseni was the 4th district of Pars, and in the tablets discovered in Persepolis, 14 Memseni regions are mentioned today, one of which is Keira.(Cora) And the other one is the Pars Governorate, that is, Lydima, whose columns were also taken out from the underground…Lydima(Lidoma) It was the Achaemenid summer capital….
Just one question, if Achaemenid's court was Mamsani, tell me why we have Kamboj village in Izeh!! Tell me why the stone inscriptions of Kol Farah Izeh, which is four thousand years old, are called the father of Persepolis, tell me why the second and winter palace of Achaemenid is in Bakhtiari land, and tell me why he called himself Shah Izeh. ?
@Arya
Come up with an Avesta phrase, I have nothing to do with you??
ما ایل بختیاری از نسل کورش هستیم ما بختیاری ها هیچ وقت بزرگانمون رو فراموش نخواهیم کرد و بعضی ها که نمیشه بگیم آثار تاریخی مال دوره های هخامنشیان وساسانیان اشکانیان را یه غارت بردن یا به کشورهایی اروپایی یا دیگر کشورها به فروختند مثل مجسمه خشیارشاه چندین سال قبل و یک ماه بعد جلوی همه مردم انتقالش دادن به انگلستان و بعد به دروغ میگن به تهران برده شده تحقیقاتی روش انجام بشه این هم یکی از اثار تاریخ یه ما به کشور های دیگه فروختند ما هیچ وقت بزرگانمون رو از یاد نخواهیم برد بختیاری سر بلند بوده و سر بلند خواهد بود
Who was the great Bakhtiari during the time of Shapur I Sasanian?
No, sir. All the people of Iran wore that felt hat until the Qajar period, until it was replaced by the Pahlavi hat. Take photos of the Qajar period, at that time the people of Yazd, Kerman and Tehran also wore felt hats, this does not mean that it is a hat or those people were also hat.! A bit of logic!
The Bakhtiarian felt hat is four thousand years old, and the hat you mentioned was different from the Bakhtiarian hat, and basically no ethnic group wore a black felt hat during the Qajar era, this is also from the logic you are saying.
Soldiers, elders and scientists wore white hats at that time
Now I see white beards and our scientists wearing white caps on their heads
No, it was long or something, but it is similar?
In recent years, some people have tried to root the name of Cyrus, Rezai Bagh Bedi has mentioned some of them..
A material word and a combination of "blind" (Boy) and "Osh" (Lighting) It means "son of light".(Words – You made a fortune)
A Kurdish word and a combination of "blind" (Boy) and "spray" (Black) meaning "black boy"(Here "black" is a sign of greatness and respect.).
combination of "blind" (Boy) and method" (Sun) It means "son of the sun" and Bakhtiari and Kurdish.
A combination of the material word kora-* (Boy) and the Avestan word aša- (the truth) It means "true boy".(The first part of the chorus in Bakhtiari means son)
Originally it was "Khorosh" which means "like the sun" and is a Kurdish word.
Related to the Greek word κύρτός meaning "server, ruler"
Related to the Greek word κύρτός meaning "bent, curly" meaning "curly, one who has curly hair"
Cyrus's friends belong to Him:
But I need to mention a few things
Language, customs, and current documentation are considered accessible. While in Bakhtiari language (The same language that survived Pahlavi Persian) And similar words of Shahnameh and Bakhtiari language should be mentioned: like the. Dosh, Khordam, Bangesht and … For example, it is mentioned in the Shahnameh that Rostam tied the mace to the saddle: Other than the Bakhtiaris, do they mean Kash???(Department of Persian Literature, Shahrekord Azad University)
You can refer to the books of preserving the works of Jundi Shapur: There is clearly mentioned more 250 The word is mentioned in the Avesta book and the language of the people of Khuz and ancient Iran, which is used repeatedly in Bakhtiari's daily conversations today.: Like and like Jakor- The official record of preserving the works of Jundi Shapur- ص 541-542
Please, the documentary of Zagros, my mother, made by the archeology department of Tehran University- Documentary by Brad Gorey (بررسی تدفین کوروش، هخامنشیان، ایرانیان باستان و بختیاری ها) See the construction of the country's radio and television.
I share this article for my loved ones:
Announcement of Population Data
A Y-STR database of Iranian and Azerbaijanian minority populations
Author links open overlay panelLutzRoeweraSaschaWilluweitaMarkStonekingbIvanNasidzeb
Abstract
Seventeen Y-chromosomal short tandem repeats (Y-STR) DYS19, DYS389I, DYS389II, DYS390, DYS391, DYS392, DYS393, DYS385a, DYS385b, DYS437, DYS438, DYS439, DYS448, DYS456, DYS458, DYS635 and GATA H4 were studied in five minor linguistic groups from Iran (Arabs, Gilaki, Mazandarani, Bakhtiari and Southern Talysh) and one from Azerbaijan (Northern Talysh) with the goal of constructing of a representative Y-STR database for this region in Southwest Asia. Analysis of Molecular Variance (AMOVA) low genetic distances between the Iranian Gilaki, Mazandarani, Bakhtiari and Kurd populations, but larger genetic distances to both Talysh populations, the Iranian Arabs, Georgian and Kazakh populations.
I shared this article in summary (December 2009, Pages e53-e55) Elsevier publications have published a very close genetic correlation of several Iranian peoples (Bakhtiari proves Kurds, Gilkis and Mazandarani).
Regarding the Iranian genome and chromosomes, Dr. Khairi, a professor at Cornell University in the United States, has announced the share percentage of Iranian genotypic and phenotypic dominant chromosomes of Bakhtiaris and Lors more than other ethnic groups by examining genetic kits and banks..
Please refer to this scientific journal Forensic Science International: Genetics
In addition: After Alexander's attack on Iran and the destruction of the central government of Iran: Local governments, especially the government of the Ilymais or Ilymais, were formed in the present Khuze or Khuzestan region. The Ilimaites are called the rulers of Kuchro in the surviving Persian language of today, who are considered the ancestors of the Bakhtiaris.(Ilimaian documentary made by the history and archeology department of the university (Martyr of Chamran) and University of Tehran.
نام بختیاری در دوران صفویه روی قوم بختیاری گذاشته شده، امروزه اگر گفته میشه کوروش از قوم بختیاری منظور این نیست که نام بختیاری از زمان هخامنشیان بوده است بلکه اجداد آنها در منطقه کنونی بختیاری، لرستان، همدان،کهگلویه، بوشهر و فارس ساکن بودند. It is obvious that after thousands of years the language of any people changes, but the countless words left in this language show the antiquity and affinity of the Lor people with their Zagros ancestors from Lorestan, Khuzestan to Fars and Bushehr..
Nowadays, due to the change of genotype and phenotype of language (A mixed language of Arabic and Persian), Culture (How to cover and …) And the lifestyle in other regions of Iran, the Zagros tribes can be attributed to the Achaemenid era with a greater share..
last word: We are all compatriots and this compatriotism in various events including 8 We have shown the year of holy defense, so far this people, whose name was changed to Bakhtiari since Safavid era, is more 2800 Shahid has presented this country. We owe all our lives to the martyrs of all parts of Iran. Today, if we talk about our relatives with ease, we all owe the blood of Iran's martyrs. اگر در گذشته کوروش بزرگ در زمان خود آزادی و امنیت را برای اقوام مختلف به ارمغان آورد امروز افرادی از ایران زمین امنیت رو برای شهرهایی همچون دمشق، بغداد، حلب و کشورمان به ارمغان آوردنند.
It was really useful
Thank you
When you write, *Cheghazanbil* is a Zoroastrian temple!! It shows how much historical literacy you have
Hahahahaha
I stayed. This is the situation of the Bakhtiari of the 21st century..
1- The existence and authenticity of Herodotus is questionable and even if we assume that it is not, those mountains did not have the name of Bakhtiari at the time of his claim..
2- On the assumption that Anshan is the current region where the Bakhtiaris live, does this prove that the people of that region were Bakhtiaris at that time as well?!
3- If we pay close attention, the clothes of the Achaemenid/Bakhtiari kings and soldiers have no resemblance to the Bakhtiari clothes and consist of crowns, headbands and capes that can be found in any nation in the world.. And if we pay more attention, the Achaemenians used to ring in the softness of their ears, which is common among black Africans today..
4- A stone lion with a human face or a sphinx was sculpted thousands of years before Persepolis in Mesopotamia and also in ancient Egypt, and it is basically an animal lion and has nothing to do with a specific human being.!
My brother, you have not been among the Bakhtiaris, how can you say that they do not resemble each other? Whenever I see them, I think that they came from the time of the Rabbis. I am not a Bakhtiari, but when I see them, I see a relic of the Achaemenid culture in their appearance
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Because before we are Persian, we are Lor, for us, Lor is like Iran, which in any case is based on being Iran. نه زندی بودن نه هخامنش بودن ساسانی یا هر نام دیگری شما در درجه اول میگویی من بچه مثلا اصفهانم یا میگویی ایرانیم؟؟؟ ما هم اول اصلمان که لر است را می گوییم . And not the names of our governments, if it was like this, our names would have been changed a hundred times in history. For example, I belong to another tribe, for example, Babadi or Behdarund, if they become kings a thousand times, I will not say that we are Babadi or Behdarund.. شاید اگه یه غریبه وارد قوم ما بشه به راحتی زیر بار بره که بابادیه ولی من رو بکشی من دورکیم. This is not digestible for a stranger, but it is normal between us. And Lee is strange for other than us. قضیه پارس و لر بودن هم همینه یکبار ایلامیها بقدرت میرسیدن یبار پارسها یبار زندیان و …. The rest of the clans never follow this name, but basically they are related to each other. Now, for example, why don't you say you are Pahlavi because you are originally from Iran. پازسیان اون زمان چون خیلی مقتدر و قدرتمند بودن نام پارس بر ایرانی بودن قدرت گرفت و اقوام خارج از ایران به مردم ایران پارسی می گفتند و مردم ایران را به این نام میخواندند
Well, greetings to you for asking a beautiful question
Do you know why they call us Ler?
Your address(nickname) Dariush Shah had given Parsumash to a scientist
Based on the reasons you presented, anyone anywhere in the world can claim to be a descendant of the ancient Romans or Egyptians.!
The Bakhtiari dress is nothing like the Persian dress carved on the walls of Persepolis.
Of course, these efforts are not something strange, any nation that does not have a written history wants to make a name for itself by grabbing the history of others..
If you are half-sighted and half-wise, you can find out which tribe the surviving Bakhtiaris are with an hour's research….But unfortunately, you insulted one of the oldest Iranian peoples with your ignorance, prejudice, lack of awareness and lack of intelligence and knowledge.….Bakhtiari has such a big name that he doesn't need these things, for example I refer you to Fatah Tehran ….
You just prove that you are not original . The entire civilization of Iran is from Khuzestan, and the name of Pars is from Khuzestan, which after conquering the Shiraz region, Cyrus gave it to Fars, Khuzestan, Lorestan, Kohlivieh, Chaharmahal, and Bushehr, which were 90% of the people of Lore..
No, the people who are emerging from the black tents are not the generation of civilized people thousands of years ago.
در جواب عرفانه سنگهای یک کوه معدن که همه گرانبها نیستند مگر غیر از این بو ده که اریاییان کوچرو بوده اند نکنه میخوای بگی از اول همه زندگی مدرن امروزی رو داشته اند یه نگاهی به اصطلاح کاخهای سنگی پادشاهان هخامنشی بنداز واقعا با کاخهای امروزی ببین چه تفاوت فاحشی دارند بعد از مردم روستا یی و یا عشایر ی ان زمان چه انتظاری داری در جوامع عشایری روستایی صحرائی و بیابان نشین ادمهای بزرگی برخاسته اند در میان مردم از عرب و ترک و کرد ……… که فرهنگ اجتماعی آنها شبیه ب بختیاری ها بوده و هست مگر پیامبران و امامان و یا پادشاهان بزرگی در این قبایل به مقام بزرگی نرسیده اند خب چه جور نمیتونه نباشه مگر خود کریم خان زند از همین مردم نبود مگر از عشایر نبودند مگر اشکانیان افشاریان قاجارها مغول اعراب اتراک و …..از عشایر و قبایل نیمه بدوی نبودن پس چطور پادشاهان بزرگی به قدرت رسیده اند محض اطلاع اکثر پادشاهان از همین قبایل و عشایر بوده اند که به علت پشتوانه قبیله ای که می داشتند باعث توان نظامی بالای آنها می شد و به تخت شاهی می نشستند خود اسلام هم با توان و اتحاد و تعصب قوم عرب بیشتر جهانی شد
In a mixture of Arab race, the only intact nation is Bakhtiari, and if so, why is it impossible to say
Better, the architect of the eight-year war was Amir Bakhtiari, the best ruler of Iran, Karim Khan Zand, the father of Iran's hypnosis. Who should I say again?
Chukha was invented during Reza Shah's time when quba was banned, so it has nothing to do with Achaemenian Cyrus because it is a hundred years old.
Hello dear friend, Chugha was not invented during Reza Shah's time, but it was invented by Reza Shah who implemented the plan of uniformizing the clothes, and before that Chugha became common among nomads and shepherds. Qabas are known as Qabari Qabari .
No, Reza Shah exiled all the nomads, he had a problem because of the anti-Britishness of the nomads, for example Qashqai, Bakhtiari, Lor……..
Sorry for the mistakes in the previous post.
Anshan instead of human in the second case.
Elamite period instead of Islamic period in the fourth case.
Ontash Gal instead of Ontash Kola again in the fourth case.
Sorry again for typos.
Your argument is superficial.
First, where in the book of Herodotus is the name of Bakhtiari mountains mentioned?
Second, based on David Stronach's discoveries in Pasargad in the 1970s, and as a result of his Pasargad book, which was also translated into Persian, an inscription was found that proves that man is from the region of Pasargad..
Thirdly, where is Bakhtiari's dress similar to Achaemenid dress?
Fourth Chaghazanbil is the local name of the temple located in Shavor area of Shush, not the ancient name of that temple, which was something else.!
Fifth, Cheghazanbil is a Zoroastrian and Achaemenid temple!? Who and where mentioned this article!? Chaghazanbil Temple belongs to the Islamic period and the Ontash Kingdom and has nothing to do with Achaemenid and Zoroastrianism..
Paying attention to the identity of us Iranians is very valuable, but not by providing superficial and sometimes incorrect information!
Bakhtiari dress is very similar to Achaemenid dress, I personally saw it closely.
No, I feel it is similar
Like the columns of Choqa, which are similar to the above(I mean like a fence or what do I know now?) The stairs of Takht Jamshidah
I wish I knew his name?
Read these and if you have read history, you will surely understand that you are not Persian, unfortunately. منطقه پارس در زمان هخامنشیان شامل استانهای خوزستان لرستان کهکلویه و چهارمحال و فارس که بعدها تصاحب و نام پارس گرفت و بوشهر هست. And the tribes of that time, the Baluchs, Kurds, Lors, Azeris, and Maznis or northerners were the main people of this land. If you insist that you are a Persian, first prove that you belong to this region and explain to me the details of your history. Each of these tribes knows about itself from several generations ago, while the Persians of today did not give anything because there is no history and they are a combination of these few tribes. are original. You should calculate about ninety percent of the people of Pars region because of their life based on agriculture and animal husbandry and because of the climatic conditions, . They were brave, stout and warriors. At that time, the sedentary people of Fars province, which you consider yourself to be the continuation of their generation, were few in number and were constantly attacked and raided, and the population of Ler or nomads was about 90%.. و انچه مشخص است از مردم شیراز هویت همین مردم یکجا نشین است که نه اهل جنگ و مبارزه اند و نه انچه از تعریف مردمان پارسی گفته شده. چطور شما معتقدید این پنج قوم اصلی که همه کشور دستشان بوده ایا عقیم بوده اند که هنوز جمعیتشان در حد همان مناطق در حد همان مناطق قبلی مانده ولی از کل جمعیت ده درصد یکجانشین منطقه پارس شاید مردم شیرلز سه درصد ان باشند توانستند مانند گرده افشانی این همه نسل بوجود اورند که امروز شما فارسها هستید.؟؟ لطقا نحوه زاد و ولدشون را بگو تا ما هم بدونیم_87 ضمنا محض اطلاع بیشتر تجاوزات تاریخی افغانها و مغول و تازی و تاتار هم مربوط به فلات مرکزی ایران می باشد که باعث تغییر اساسی در نژاد این مردمان شده و اگع تاریخ خوانده باشی مغولها بر کل ایران مسلط شدن جز مناطق لر نشین و به انها دو حکومت اتابکان بزرگ و کوچک دادند و کاری به لرها نداشتند و در نهایت لرها افغانها و مغولها را لز ایران راندند . تمام حکومتهای موجود در خوزستان لر بودند و جنگجو و امروزه بسیاری از لرها و بختیاریها که به عنوان سپاهیان ایران لشکر کشی می کردند در عراق و سوریه و افغانستان در منطقه پنجشیر و در پاکستان و هند ساکن هستند و کاملا هویتشان را حفظ کرده امد@ انگلیسیها توسط لرها از ایران رانده شدند . The constitution was succeeded by Sardar Asad and Sardar Asad conquered Tehran and Isfahan. And the current struggles are all from low-lying areas . History was never in your hands. After Karim Khan, the government fell into the hands of the Turks and then Mazandarani, which was Reza Shah and his son. . And unfortunately, you Asma Persians never had the courage to fight and easily took our name upon yourself and now you are selling pride to us.????? You are not Persian, you just put the name of the central government, which was powerful and known as Persia, on yourself, just like the name of Iran . کوروش چه زاده ایذه باشد چه بیضا هر دو شهر لررنشینند و در اصل لر بودن کوروش شکی نیست . Many Lors also settled in the same place throughout history and became part of the population of different cities, and the people of the Central Plateau are definitely a combination of the people of Iran's Four Corners.. Where can a Shirazi fight? Stop your superstitions. How come all the Achaemenid monuments are in Khuzestan, his ancestors were Khuzestan and Sepidan and some cities of present Fars were part of Khuzestan and Kakhluyeh and all these areas are silent. . Persian and Elamite people were a common people of Khuzestan, and they are not separate at all, just the names of two tribes in Khuzestan. Please prove your authenticity first.
تمام لرها از بازماندگان مهاجرین جبل السماق ادلب هستندقرن پنجم به لرستان امدند که اقوام شول و لک را اواره کردند،،،کتاب حمداله مستوفی رو مطاله بغرمابید
شما لرهای لک در استان لرستان با لرهای فیلی خرم آباد بر سر مسایل مختلف با هم مشکل دارید لطفا لرهای بختیاری بویراحمد ی ممسنی دشتی بهمئی حیات داودی کومزاری بوشهر کازرونی و …را زیر سؤال نبرید مگر باید شبیه لرهای فیلی خرم آبادی باشین تا لر به حساب بیایید شما چون همسایه کردها بوده اید زبان و فرهنگ کردی بر شما تاثیر گذاشته و الان بعضی از شما خودشونو لر میدونند عده ای هم خودتونو کرد میدونید ادعای پانکردیسم هم به این مسئله دامن زده فریب نخورید طوایفی که حمدالله مستوفی گفته همگی نامشان فارسی و ایرانی است چطور ممکن است سوریه ای باشند ؟ اینان بختیاری هایی بودند که در جنگهای صلاح الدین ایوبی شرکت کرده‌بود ند و موقع برگشتن به ایران حمدالله مستوفی به اشتباه اونارو سوریه ای خطاب کرده اگر لرها مهاجرن پس این همه مناطق لر نشین قبلا در دست چه کسانی بوده آیا خالی از جمعیت بوده عیلامیان پارسها کاسیان و …….که در سرزمین امروزی لرها زندگی میکرد ند چی شدند بازماندگان شون چه کسانی هستند آیا لرها ترکیبی از بازماندگان این اقوام نیستند؟ آیا بازم بر سر اختلاف با لرهای فیلی خرم آبادی خودتون رو لر نمی دونید مگر چقدر جمعیت دارید که قوم مجزایی به حساب بیاین مگه لک به معنای ده هزار نیست پس چند قرن جلوتر از این مگه چند نفر جمعیت داشته اید که الان ادعای قومیتی مجزا و جدا از لرها خودتونو میدونید
Mr. Lekstan, you should know that you are one of the Iraqi immigrants to Lorestan, and before you entered Iran and made the noble people of Lorestan displaced and miserable, the people of Lorestan lived in their native lands for thousands of years, namely Lorestan, Ilam, Kermanshah and…They lived. The word stain 200 It wasn't invented a year ago, then we became immigrants????
By God, 70% of the people consider Bakhtiari to be of Iranian origin, all ceremonies of Iranian origin, even the horn that they play for Eid, is of Iranian and Bakhtiari origin. How many elders have said that this country should dream of becoming a child king so that the people will taste justice. Taste it. Cut your jealousy to the limit.
You are right, but you should know that they went there because of the Crusades and then returned to Lorestan. Go read history and channels, not according to your will.. Returning means returning.
Oh no, Dad, don't kill us!
A crusader, not a crusader
They are scientists!
Although I will say in relation to Lorestan, they are genuine and zealous people who are very kind, well-dressed, brave, and during the Mongol attack, Lorestan was the most resistant and of course, they do not let go of their originality and do not follow someone else's footsteps.!
No?!
همه بختیاری ها از یک نزاد و قومیت خاص نیستند ولی بی شک هسته اصلی انها پارسی و آریایی است که با مردمی در باستان از جمله عیلامیان وگوتیان و کاسیان یونانیان و حتی پارتیها و مادها و بعد از اسلام هم با سادات و ترکان قشقایی در آمیختگی داشته اند
a question
Mixing with Qashqai Turks?؟
من بختیاری ام افتخار میکنم که بختیاری هستم لطفا بدونه منبع حرف نزنید بختیاری قومی شریف و بزرگوار است که در طول تاریخ حماسه ها آفریده درود بر بختیاری
Dear friends, the Bakhtiaris have lived a nomadic life throughout history, while the Persians and Medes have always been urban dwellers.. By the way, if we proceed with these descriptions, we will see a shepherd in the Bakhtiari mountains, who was also 100% Bakhtiari, betraying Ario Barzan's corps and showing the way to Iskandar's corps. . In his memoirs, Iskandar says that when I arrived in Iran, they told me that there are nomadic people living in the Bakhtiari mountains, who will show you the way for a small ransom.. These people are called Bactri or Bakhtiari today.
Your speech has no value without a scientific source
یاوه گویی نکن من خاطرات اسکندر رو خوندم اصلا این طور نیست اسکندر از بختیاریها به عنوان مردان آهنین و غیر قابل نفوذ وبا غیرت یاد کرده گستاخ
اینکه شما میگین بختیاری ها همیشه کوچ نشین بوده اند غلط است کافیست فقط تنها در مورد خود شهر ایذه و یکجا نشینی در آن تحقیق کنید و ببینید که در سه دوره تاریخی هر باربعد از سکونت چندین ساله سه بار بالاجبار به کوچروی روی میارن و بعداز آرامش دوباره یکجا نشین میشوند« به علت درگیر بودن با مهاجمان و تسلیم نشدن در برابر آنان»/هروقت لازم بوده و باشد این کار رو کرده ومی کنند/ ( Once upon a time, Alexander – Once upon a time, the Arabs – آخر بارهم در زمان شکست سلسله اتابکان لر) If it is otherwise, then what is the sign of all these historical monuments left behind?!!!! یه جور هم میگی عشایر انگار مدام در حال جابه جا شدن بوده اند در حالی که چنین نبوده به علت فصل گرمای بد تابستان در خوزستان دو یا سه ماه تابستانی را به مناطق کوهستانی خوش آب هوای و ییلاقی خود در مناطق مختلف مخصوصا در استان چهارمحال بختیاری کوچ می کرده‌اند که هم در ییلاق و هم در قشلاق زمینهای کشاورزی و مسکن دائمی داشته اند کما اینکه الان هم عشایر فعلی نیز چنین وضعیتی را دارند و ما در بختیاری طوایفی را داریم که اصلا کوچروی نمی کرده اند حتی برای یکی دو فصل !!! «مقصر صدا و سیمای میلی ماست که همیشه به خاطر عده کمی از بختیاری ها از آنا ن تصویر کوچرو بودن نشان می دهد » در ضمن لفظ بختیاری و باکتری هیچ ربطی به هم ندارند یکی مال چهارصد سال پیش باکتری یا باختری زمان امروز هیچ شباهت زبانی با واژ ه های باستانی ندارن اینا همش ساخته های افکار نویسندگان امروزی است مثل حرف شما که دروغی بیش نیست
Well, every nomadic person will eventually settle down
دختر آریایی بهتر اسمتو چیز دیگری بذاری یک آریایی که دروغ نمیگه چون کورش کبیر داریوش بزرگ زرتشت رهبر ان و پیام آوران بزرگ آریایی مخالفان سرسخت دروغ بودند دروغ نگو اونم شاخدار تو آنجا بودی که اون چوپان راه رو نشون میده عقده چی داری از بختیاری ها خاطرات اسکندر خخخخخخخخ !!!!!!!! The similarity between bacteria and Bakhtiari is nothing more than an illusion. The word Bakhtiari is from Dari Persian and has nothing to do with ancient Iranian languages. Sophistry has its limits.
The Persian word was also discovered in this way:
The old men on our side still call Fars, Vars:
Pars
Vars
Vaers
Va-e-r-es
It means those Iranians who have decided to work on the land and no longer migrate like the Scythians.
I can only laugh at your words, or rather, I can cry because of your illiteracy and this culture of us Iranians, we all know history, or politicians, or doctors, or philosophers, etc., it depends on the type of discussion. . 🙂 و واسه شما دختر به ظاهر اریایی متاسفم که حتی کتمان تاریخ میکنین ؛)،
مگ تو چقد سواد داری؟ دانشمندی؟ فیزیکدانی؟ تو ناسا فعالیت میکنی؟ حاظرم قسم بخورم دیپلم هم نداری!!! Normally, a literate person does not say I am literate and you are illiterate! Because it is very ugly .
Don't think you are Aryan because you speak Farsi, it's not clear yet, so don't comment so sure. …. Don't be rude, I said with a general example
Hello, it is nobody's fault but Bakhtiari himself, because he has no salt, why should we go the long way, this is the constitution that if it was not for Bakhtiari, there would be no such thing as constitutionalism in the history of Iran, but they name everyone except Bakhtiari, but in general, Bakhtiari's life and property have been insured by Iran. Dear Vairani, and if God wills, it will continue to be the same as in the past without any expectations. It is important for Iran to exist with its head held high or otherwise.
Iran has no one but its people
If you don't have eyes then don't complain . The proverb says: Either full salary or full salary
Do you mean that no one complains even a little?
This amount of friction is really strange
Aryan girl, you talk about Pars and Parsism, you don't know how many nomadic clans the Pars have. Then you come to Bakhtiari and tell them they are so and so. Go and increase your study about something you are interested in.
The Bakhtiaris are the only survivors of the Achaemenians. Greetings to all the tribes
Yes, in a black tent and riding a mule!
To what extent is the excavation complex?
Be sure to visit the ancient palaces and stone and mud houses of the Bakhtiari people in Khuzestan and Chaharmahal provinces.! Bakhtiaris learn riding, shooting and fighting in the form of dance from childhood
I think you are very full of hatred and revenge!
You who say in black and tents and riding on a mule. Did you start your life in the city? You mean you and your ancestors. Our pride is camping and riding horses. It is good to know that if a Bakhtiari wants it, he can be in the middle of the front with his gun. Let's show you. Let's not be racist, but don't insult either. We all come from the same parents and there is no superiority for humans except piety.
Dear brother . There are many palaces in Bakhtiari lands in Khuzestan, Chaharmahal and Lorestan . The Zoroastrian temple of Masjid Suleiman, the Bardanshande column of Indika, and the stone tablets of Izeh, as well as geological scientists, are of the opinion that one of the most exceptional and unique places in the world for the survival of two sides is the middle Zagros in Iran, which is the coldest point of the continental plateau on the eastern side and the western side on the western side. The hottest point is the continental plateau. After many years of historical study, I came to the conclusion that the Aryan Persians who entered Iran are the same part of the great Lors, who are from Bakhtiari to Kohgilweibeh, Boyar Ahmad and Memsani. Nomadic people with distinct clans and with A local language that is the heritage of Sassanids and Achaemenids
L Bassari. The Persian-speaking tribe and the only surviving tribe from the Pasargadian tribe, living in the Achaemenid capitals of Persepolis, Pasargad, and Naghs-Rostam, and in these areas, no other tribes or tribes have lived until today, only the Pasari tribe. (The flute) Because they are the most authentic Achaemenid people, they still haven't left their ancestral land. Alki did not say that the Achaemenians were ler. When the Achaemenians were (Persians) They enter Iran (Elam) They live in the central plateau of the Zagros mountain range in Iran and have nothing to do with the Persian people in terms of roots and roots.. But due to their population, Lor united with the Persians and created the Achaemenid dynasty. Il Pasarai (The flute) They are of the Achaemenid race, considering their population, which is not very large.
exactly
don't tell stories . In the old days, Sepidan belonged to Khuzestan and Kokhluyeh and the people of An Kochero and Ler, who with the passage of time have adopted the new Persian accent and their entire culture is like Bakhtiari.. Korosh was the son of Izeh and even if he was also the son of Beyza, Beyza belonged to the land of Kholiyeh . Secondly, you small tribe can never be the army of Cyrus or the original and installation of Cyrus. And what is there in that area is only the tomb of Cyrus and most probably the tomb of Cyrus is the throne of Suleiman in Susa, because it remains in the Bakhtiari culture to build tombs for famous people in the place where they lived, and I can say with confidence that the main grave is the place of Dix..
First of all, Basri, not Basri, you were from Basra, and the name of your people was Basra, you came from Basra, Iraq, you were saved from an Iraqi by the king of Larkarim Khan Zand, you were saved from the hands of an Iraqi.
ناموسا شما باصری ها چی میگید نه زبونتون پهلویه نه اسم طایفتون تو شیرازم به عرب میشناسنتون اینو خو دیگه ما شیرازیا میدونیم همه هم میدونن زبونتون خراسانی و از بصره اید که از بصره به خراسان و بعد فارس اومدید فقط تو مجازی با تغییر باصری به باسری ادعای ارث از پاسارگادیان دارید دقیقا مثل ربط گودرز به شقایق
God tell me what to do people, you are hot from laughing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
jKi Bakhtiaria is wearing a shawl. Is it clear where in the world you are?
Cyrus didn't wear a skirt either, men of Pars had trousers, and there were no zippers or buttons to be sewn straight!By the way, the Greeks wore skirts. When you see a Bakhtiari man, when he gathers the legs of his trousers in his waist, wrinkles appear, and we think from the inscriptions that they wore skirts.
Totally 130 It has been worn by Bakhtiari for many years, otherwise, before that, their main clothing was a shawl and a qaba, like other Lors, and this one is without an elephant turban.
A friend of Mehr Ariai
دوستان جا داره بگم که بعد از اسلام اکثر زاگرس نشینان را لر خواندن و که لرها ترکیبی از پارسها و عیلامیان بوده و بعد ازهخامنشیان همین لر ها بودن که سلسله ساسانی رو تشکیل دادند که کاملا از طرز صحبت کردن ،نوع پوششش ،مرکزیت آنها در نقاط لر نشین قابل اثبات هست
A friend of Mehr Ariai
دوستان جا داره بگم که بعد از اسلام اکثر زاگرس نشینان را لر خواندن و که لرها ترکیبی از پارسها و عیلامیان بوده و بعد ازهخامنشیان همین لر ها بودن که سلسله ساسانی رو تشکیل دادند که کاملا از طرز صحبت کردن ،نوع پوششش ،مرکزیت آنها در نقاط لر نشین قابل اثبات هست
Greetings to you, dear friend. The Achaemenids and of course the Sassanids were the two great Ler dynasties, and they emerged exactly from the heart of Ler-dwelling areas such as Pasargad, Shush, and Anzan. All or most of the works left by these governments, such as clothing, vocabulary, words, and celebrations Or the ceremonies, hats they wore and so on…. It is very similar to the Lors and especially the Bakhtiaris.
I agree with your opinion
Leaders are different now, Ler Bakhtiari, Ler Boyer Ahmadi and others….
A friend of Mehr Ariai
Dear friends, every article you post should be valid by mentioning the source
I am not a Bakhtiari, and through various studies, I came to the conclusion that the Bakhtiari people are the survivors of Koresh.
References:کتاب هروقت،گزنفون،کتزیاس،کتیبه های شوشتر ،ایذه،و پاسارگاد،تخت جمشید،تحقیقات دانشمندانی نظیر هرتسفلد فرانسوی ،شباهت دی ان ای گرفته شده از روستاهای اطراف تخت جمشید و پاسارگاد و مردم بختیاری.
Greetings
Greetings to Mehr Ariai friend
Friends, all the inscriptions and historical documents of Koresh's birth place and Achaemenid life in Suleiman Mosque(Thank you) تایید کرده اند ایا از خودتان سوال کردین که در این منطقه فقط بختیاری زندگی میکنه و پس شک نکنین بختیاری از بازماندگان هخامنشیان هست که با قوم ایلامی (Lor) They have become one and both are brothers……این نظریه زمانی نقص میشه که غیر از بختیاری در منطقه ایذه و مسجد سلیمان قوم دیگر غیر از بختیاری زندگی کند پس با نتیجه گیری از فرهنگ و لباس و کتب تاریخی ؛ کتیبه های گوناگون در شوشتر پاسارگاد و تخت جمشید و غیرو …..And the stone lion in Bakhtiari is most likely the Bakhtiari people who are the remnants of Kuresh. But the important thing is that all of Iran is mostly Aryan, we should avoid differences and avoid divisive slogans such as differences between ethnic groups or rejection of Shiite Islam. Friends, be aware that the nation's religion, Shiite Islam, must be respected, otherwise it will destroy Iran..
According to themselves, the Bakhtiaris are made up of two big clans, 4 Lang and 7 Lang, which means that one of the brothers had 7 sons and the other had 4 sons, and the clans are their children.. What is clear is that these people are a branch of the Ler people, and I don't know why there is so much insistence on giving them history.. The interesting thing about the clothes of this people is that their pants are made of English cloth, and by the way, the long history of this people in serving the British can also be considered.… But what is the use of ethnic and tribal prejudices blinding logic and reason.
I am really sorry that you talk like this without information
The class said this dear friend named Abbas, Without declarations ************************************************, In the term 7 lang or 4 lang, the meaning of lang was the amount of government ransom that was taken from these two categories by the contemporary Shah., Lang meant the amount of ransom, it was taken in the scale of palan donkey. Bakhtiari's local pants model dates back hundreds of years (It can be confirmed by examining contemporary historical photos of the time of Naser al-Din, the cursed Turk, When England had not yet started importing colonialism in Iran) And thousands before (By examining the works left by the Achaemenids) returns. The name Debit was chosen after the beginning of importing Debit black fabric from England, Like the first model of paper napkin called Kleenex that entered Iran or like the brand that enters *************** in Iran. Regarding the resistance of the Bakhtiari people against British colonialism, what better example than the Shir Ghali Uprising of the Bakhtiari men, and it can also be confirmed and adapted from the movie The Stone Lion starring Ali Nasirian and Ezzatullah Tzami. Take a look at the internet to confirm the service and perseverance of the Bakhtiari people in the way of reviving and returning the glory of the land of Persia throughout history, or the Bakhtiari celebrities in the past and present inside or outside of Iran..
Of course, it goes without saying that cooperation with a big and powerful country like Great Britain is not such a bad thing and it is also very good.! بهتراز همکاری کردن با نیروهای خرافات مذهبیست ک هیچ تدبیری برای زندگانی در کارشان نیست و هدفشان تنها و تنها سرکوب و تمامیت خاهیست! انگلیس حداقل حداقل درعوض پارچه دبیت میداد تا شلواری دوخته شود… What have the religious people given??
great Britain?! Do we have anyone greater than Cyrus and Iran?! The authentic and untouched Bakhtiari family was not looking for patriotism to give yarn to the British! With this word of zeal **** Do not question Bakhtiari!
First of all, the Ler people do not mean that all the people of Ler today have a common racial origin (به دلیل تشابهات فرهنگی و زبانی که در طول تاریخ چه از لحاظ فرهنگی و چه زبانی با هم پیدا کرده‌اند از آنها قومی واحد ساخته اگر چه با اختلاف ات فراوان چه از لحاظ زبانی و چه از لحاظ فرهنگی) This million population ( از استان همدان لرستان کرمانشاه ایلام خوزستان چهارمحال بختیاری فارس بوشهر اصفهان کهگیلویه و بویراحمد کومزاریها لرهای عراق و ………That is, from the north of Zagros to the shores of the Persian Gulf, can they all be of the same race?!!!! آیا تمام فارسی زبانان یا عرب زبانان از یک نزاد خالص هستن زبان و فرهنگ چیزی متغیر است و هر چند سال و برای همه ملل رخ داده و میدهد !!!!!! Regarding the name Debit or debit pants, I must say that its original name is Tanban. In Bakhtiari, there is a bad habit that if the fabric of any garment is changed, the name of the fabric remains on it, like velvet pants instead of women's qari pants because of the name of the velvet fabric. !!!!!!! آقا بهمن شما بی شک از بختیاری ها عقده دارید چون حسودی می کنید چون جوک میگید و تخریب می کنید چون مرد نیستید که رو در رو حرف بزنید مثل ترسوها عقده گشایی می کنید عادت همه شما این است اگر اسم پارچه دبیت نشان از خوش خدمتی به انگلیسی هاست پس کت و شلوار چی مانتو لباس که واژه ای عربیست اکثر اسامی وسایل و مایحتاج زندگی تو یا انگلیسی یا عربی مغولی روسی ترکی افغانی هندی است پس ببین تو چقدر خوش خدمت تر هستی حالاکه اسم یه پارچه = خوش خدمتی به کشور سازنده این پارچه!!!!! /////// I doubt your name is Bahman, because an authentic Iranian has decency, he doesn't insult anyone, let alone his own kind, it's probably something else and you can't tell the truth. !!!!!! اگر روزی سیاستمدار ی با فلان کشور رابطه دوستی داشته باشد میشه خوش خدمتی اونم تمام قومیت او خوش خدمت میشن!!!!!!!!! اما اگر خودتون با فلان کشور دوست باشید خوش خدمتی محسوب نمیشه حالا اون کشور خواه روس باشد خواه انگلیس خواه چین حالا معنی خوش خدمتی رو فهمیدی ؟؟؟؟؟
Importantly, dear friend, let me tell you that Haftlang and Charlang have nothing to do with the number of children. Please, when you don't know about something, don't make a random comment, do a search and then comment.
Don't get me wrong, I myself am Bakhtiari and 4 and 7 have nothing to do with what you said
Don't talk nonsense
You are literate up to the third grade, Pashmak
Not even one word of the two lines you wrote was correct
Dear friend, don't talk so uninformed, I myself am a Bakhtiarian and the division of Bakhtiarians into 2 groups, 7 lame and 4 lame, was due to the number of livestock and the type of tax distribution, not the children of 2 brothers.
The clothes of the Bakhtiaris were shawls and Qobas, Chogha or Chuqa were the clothes of farmers