Rokhshai, the first assistant of Iranian artificial intelligence Rokhshai, the first assistant of Iranian artificial intelligence
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Who were the Tats?

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Throughout history, people have sometimes lived without water, food and shelter, but no cultured person has ever lived without literature for a single day. Literature is meant in its broad sense.. That is, everything that is included in the field of humanities, whether it is written or oral, and culture precedes it, but what is meant by culture in its conventional meaning is not the literate and the educated, because the first people who They came together and started talking and thinking about the objects and phenomena around them. , and the mirror of their material self-understanding became the foggy wide world of life. Therefore, no tribe or tribe can be found that is not provided with literature or a special history of literature, it is possible that the literature of one tribe is written and in a stage of development, and the literature of another tribe is simple and oral or at the beginning of the entry stage. Be in a specific field and book.

The Tats are also an Iranian tribe that, despite having a history and culture of thousands of years, have a very rich oral literature, but the history of their written literature is very young, and their special verse literature has come to the fore in a relatively short period of time..

The field of Tat literature, considering the scattered poems, is the 8th century AH, which remains and has a long history. . But its new beginning dates back to the period after the 1917 Russian Revolution . that the poems and plays of M. Bakshi F, born in 1910, and the poems and stories of Deh Antilof, born in 1913, are proof of this, as far as the author claims, except for the Kurds, who have a special situation because of this, other ethnic groups in the corners of our country also have the same situation as the Tats, and the reasons for this are as well. that from the 5th century to the middle of the 14th century AH for a thousand years, Turkic or abandoned Iranian dynasties like the Safavids have ruled in Iran. They have not taken care of this category and they have tried to spread their language in different ways, all of them have been lost in Iran and Iranianness, and what is left is the Turkish language, which has taken root in Iranian society and is a wide shadow..

The arrival of the Turkic dynasties in Iran and their rule in this country has always been accompanied by the migration of a large group of Turkic-speaking clans and clans, these groups often settled in the northern half of Iran.. In terms of enjoying political supremacy and special social rights, as well as the ethnic prejudice of the native people, they did not speak their language. This was generally a linguistic confrontation between the Iranian nation and a foreign nation. In this confrontation, the Persian language benefited With a huge and influential scientific and literary support, he never left the field empty for competitors . But the languages ​​and dialects of its family, which did not benefit from such support and scientific and literary richness, and were in contact with Turkish speakers like Tati Daim, were severely damaged, and in contrast to the foreign language, it gradually spread from house to house from one city to another. They continuously took a step back.

In the Islamic era, from the time when the first foundation stone of Persian literature was laid until today, the Persian language may not have been the language of the majority of the people of this country, but it was the official language and the manifestation of the nationality and unity of Iranians, and we are the only ones with this language, the tribes and clans scattered in the great Iran. We have been able to understand each other.

Currently, there are three languages ​​in Iran that are known as Persian, Turkish and Arabic . Because it is due to the emergence of different dialects and branching that different dialects such as Lori, Balochi, Kurdish, Gilki, Tati, Talshi and …. was born and again from each of them, other different dialects have emerged and come, which in the long term have generally distanced themselves from their origin and become influential and have become a mixture of Arabic, Turkish, English and … which tend to be destroyed over time, which factors such as passage of time, absence of literary language, geographical conditions, relations with theologians of other languages, new lexical needs of mass media are among the factors that affect the structure and quality of the language and in it These changes gradually lead to the multiplicity of accents .

Accents are separated like breaks in a floating surface and turn into spots or small islands that have the same substance and then gradually decay or give way to another powerful language..

Tat is a name that has been applied to a large part of the society of Greater Iran. The Tats are not one nation, nor one clan, nor one clan, but different groups of Iranians whose atlas is spread from Dagestan to Shirvan and Azerbaijan, Qazvin, Zanjan, Semnan, It includes Khorasan, Bojnord and some villages on the border line of Turkmenistan .

The language spoken by the groups known as Tat is so diverse and different from each other that despite being Iranian and having a lot in common, they are not included in a single language as dialects related to each other.. For example, the dialect spoken by the Tatts of Jergalan district of Bojnord and some border villages of Turkmenistan with the Tatts of Takstan and Blok Zahra and Ramand on the one hand, or the Tatts around Marand, Khalkhal and Zanjan on the other hand, and all these with Tati of the Caucasus is so different that each of these has that difference with Persian, Gilki and Kurdish, therefore the name Tat is not related to the ethnic and linguistic origin of this part or the Iranian society, and undoubtedly in the distant past, in all of Iran. In ancient times, they had other names and were of different ethnic and linguistic composition .

Therefore, the historical study of the word "tat" is important in several ways :

۱- It shows the different meaning of Tat in different historical periods .

۲- It shows the historical progress of the Turkish language from the west to the east, especially during the Safavid period and after that .

۳- It indicates that the current Tati language with different dialects was the common language of Azerbaijan and Iran .

۴- It represents the common infrastructure of Iranian languages ​​in the territory of Greater Iran, which is evidenced by the remains of the Tati language islands of Azerbaijan and Zanjan and the western regions. .

۵- It deals with the historical introduction of one of the most original languages ​​of Iran, and in addition to introducing the Tati language, it also introduces the people who speak this language. .

Therefore, the word "tat" has reached us from two linguistic sources : One is the ancient Persian language and the other is the Turkish language . Tat is used as a suffix in the ancient language, but Tat in Turkish Zabat means foreigner or foreigner. . After the presence of the Turks in the eastern lands of Iran, the Iranians under the domination of the Turks were called Tat, although with the greater dominance of the Turks, Tat took on a broader meaning. . But the people of Iran, with their cultural talent and historical background, changed the meaning of Tat from the concept of alien and foreign to the meaning of Iranians and people of the pen, so that during the Safavid period, Iranian society was divided into two groups of swordsmen. (Turks ) And the people of the pen (Tata and Tajik )was divided.

Although Tat and Tajik and their different representations were used for Iranians, it cannot be said that the meanings of Tat and Tajik were completely equal. . Because the meaning that Turkish dictionaries and dictionaries and the concepts given by European travel writers of these two words, as well as the Persian silence of Iranian writers, regarding the use of the word tat, are evidences and reasons that show a slight difference in the meaning and concept of these two words. and probably the word tat was more negative in terms of meaning and connotation than Tajik, and that is why the word tat was used in only five cases in the past Persian texts. . And certainly two of them were due to poetic necessity . But the word Tajik can be seen in various Persian texts .

Anyway, with the fall of the Safavid dynasty and over time, this demarcation of the Iranian society - Tats (Tajiks) and the Turks - disappeared and the language of the people of each region was also called by the name of the same state or region, such as : Lori, Gilki, Talshi, Mazandarani, Kurdi, Mashhadi, etc…. While the language of the big cities in northwestern Iran was changed to Turkish ( Of course, this change of language has been done gradually since the time of the Seljuks and the Safavids ) But the semi-languages ​​of northwest Iran, which were common in scattered villages and settlements, are called Tati language in some areas under the name of the same villages - such as Harzani and… They were read - the author of the history of Media writes about this language : Tati, like Talshi, Mazandarani, and Gilki, is a remnant of the Indo-European language, which was originally an Eastern Madian language, and in terms of the lexical origin of these dialects, the Persian contribution is extremely high. . But this language has completely preserved its material basis . In these last sixty years, researches have been conducted in Iran to introduce these Iranian languages, and Ahmed Kasravi was the first person to act in this field. . He called these scattered half-languages ​​of northwestern Iran "Azeri" and others as Tati, Harzni, Madi, Talshi, Kurdish and….. They have mentioned it.

Therefore, "Tat" is a Turkish word, which was first used for non-Turkish people in Turkic regions, then it was applied to all Iranians. . Even now, the remnants of the western languages ​​of Iran are mostly called "Tati" and the people who speak this language are called "Tat". .

Elsewhere, Pitrod Lavaleh describes Qashon Shah Abbas as such:

Iran's army is composed of four divisions, and in order of importance, I will start with the lowest of them, the gunners, which the Shah tried to form not long ago on the advice of the Englishman Anthony Shirley. .

The riflemen are of pure Iranian race, whose housing and equipment are in cities and villages, and because they receive salaries throughout the year, they have to report to the service immediately whenever their existence is needed. . The nobles, that is, Qezalbash, do not enter this category. In fact, its people are only serfs. The word "tat" is also applied to serfs.. In Farsi, when they say tat, it means that the party is from the noble class (be funny) is not . But in reality, they are more original than Qazalbash, because the last-mentioned group have only imposed themselves by force of arms since the time of Shah Ismail Sufi, and while the Tats are of Iranian origin and constitute the real inhabitants of this land, and many of The nobles and the rich and some mirzas and in general those who for some reason are not part of the regular corps or do not have official or government jobs are classified as "tats". . Riflemen are also part of the "Tat" class and usually come from villages and towns.

Among the riflemen, the Mazandarans have distinguished themselves and they were the ones who defended the fortress of Yerevan two years ago against the Shah's wishes in Armenia, and Mohammad Pasha, who had attacked the Turkish general with 200 or even 300 thousand men, after a few days of war. Westies defeated . Currently, there are about 20,000 riflemen in Iran's armed forces, and because they are from the "tats", they do not wear the Qazlbash crown and wear a simple turban. .

Pietro de Lavalle writes elsewhere :

Today his reliance (king Abbas ) Tat gunners and especially slaves who are increasing in power day by day and are appointed to high positions. …The Shah chooses almost all the ministers, secretaries and other officials from among the "tats" and has concentrated military jobs in the hands of slaves or their children. (P. 350).

And the other thing is that Engelbert Kaempfer also wrote his travelogue in the eleventh chapter :"The common language of the Iranian court is Turkish, which is the mother tongue of the Safavid dynasty, and this language is different from the language of the common people of the country."

It is written in the topic "Iranian army and its commander".:

… This special hat of the Safavid Sufis caused them to be called "Qizlbash" by the Turks, that is, those with red heads. . It is true that the Turks meant insult by using this word, but the Qazalbash considered this name a source of pride. . In this way, the Qazalbash are proud of being harsh and look down on the native people of this land whom they call Tajik or Tazik or generally "Tat". .

Gunners, Gunner Ler Agassi (The commander of the riflemen ) which is commanded by a force composed of Iranian peasants and artisans, has the third rank in Iran's army .

But in another narration from Sanson's travelogue, this is stated :

this hat (the crown) It is highly respected by everyone because it is said that this hat belongs to the twelve imams. . All houses and Qezalbash wear this hat on greeting days and ceremonies .

But the "Tats", who are a country, cannot wear this hat. Also, the current Etimad al-Dawlah, who is not one of the Lashgari Khans, does not wear this hat.

The Tats are the local natives of Iran, and the Ghazalbash, which means "gold-headed" or "red-headed" are the army. . Qazalbash are from the lineage of slaves

It means that they were originally slaves or they are from the nations that took refuge in Iran. Many Qazalbash came to Iran from Damascus and Hungary.. It should be mentioned that the Shahsons and other Turkic-speaking peoples of Azerbaijan call city dwellers and villagers "Tat". .

Gholamhossein Saedi writes :

…City dwellers, or as the Shahsuns call them, "tats", who had nothing to do but eat, sleep, and save. …(the street- ص۷۷)…A very famous poem written by an unknown poet from Qara Darvish named Ghafar many years ago is a debate between Shahsun and Tat, in which Tat invites Shahsun to settle and comfort in the city and home, and Shahsun defends the blessing and pleasure of living in a tent. He does not like urbanization . Tat Dedi E Shahson Gol Bo Kuchmagadan Utan - rest Otur Mindar Swaichmagadan Utan(That is, Tat said, O Shahsun, come and pass through Koch - come and settle down and be free from drinking polluted water .

In this debate between Tat and Shahsun, Donkete Baniyadi draws attention, first of all, Tat is called a city and a village by Shahsun. . This term remembers the same meaning and concept seven hundred years ago that the Andalusian Abuhians in the book "Al-Adrak Lalsan Al-Atrak" and the author of "Tohfa Al-Zakiyeh Fi Al-Lagheh Al-Turkiyeh" used the words "Tait" and "Tat" to mean city dwellers and farmers. . Second, nomads, especially Turks, avoid cities, which in itself tells about the differences between the Turkish and Tat dialects and the disharmony between urban and rural areas, and reminds us of the famous Turkish proverb that says : "Torke Shahraichi of Gelir prison" means he stays inside the city to leave the prison.

If we skip the simile and the debate and look carefully at the tools of today's Azerbaijani farmers, we can see that in all these tools, they are from the words and names of the past, that is, "Tat = Farsi speakers" like :Kodkhoda, Variar, Rashbar(sufferer) , Gardener, Mirao, Shepherd, Chodar, Padar, Rami, Plow, Seed, Plow, Jute (Pair) threshing floor (the shoulder) Jarjar, Javal, Bagh, Garden (the grove ) Bostan, shovel, spade, Dan Av, Khak Av, Shor Av, Kushan, Verzan, Grass, Hyacinth and…

Jalal Al Ahmad also writes: Although other villages of Zahra block (which I have often visited and made general studies ) People speak Turkish, but for example in "Khotan" and "Mashgin" and "Chisgin" agricultural tools and their special modifications are still in "Tati" language. .(ص۱۹).

However, the Tats are an Iranian tribe that mainly live on the western shores of the Caspian Sea and East Azerbaijan, the language and dialect spoken by the Tats has expanded a lot in ancient times, objective evidence and researches that have been conducted have shown that It says that at one time it included all the people of Azerbaijan, Qazvin and Tarmat, as it was said later with the spread of Turkish language, Tati was gradually removed and only the inhabitants of several settlements in this ancient land and vast country spoke this language. They have maintained it until today .

There are no accurate statistics on the current number of Tats, but today they live in small islands in different parts of the great country of Iran, including in Zanjan and Shahrodakhal provinces, several settlements in Gilan River, Shall, Sfarorin and other settlements in Qazvin and Takestan, Harzand and Karingan. and Glin Qiyeh in Marand, Zenur and Hasnou in Qara Dagh and a few villages in Bojnord and many masses scattered in Karaj, Shahr Quds, Islamshahr and other cities of Iran, as well as part of the residents of the Abshuran peninsula, Sohurani, Balakhani, Baku, Shamakhi areas And Karba, Qonakh, Kand, Diuchi, Khazi and other parts of former Soviet Azerbaijan, as well as Darband region and some other regions of Dagestan, Kaitaku, and Tabsran in the former Soviet Union are also Tat residents..

According to the statistics of 1362 AH in the former Soviet Union, the number of Tats in that country was nearly eleven thousand. . And this is while they were much more in Iran, because only in the settlements of Esbo, Eskistan, Daru, Klor, Shall, Diz, Lord, Kern, and Gilvan and Shahrud Khalkhal, without taking into account other places, there are almost 40,000 settlers. People were speaking Tati language in 1353 AH.

It is worth mentioning that Iranian researchers have spent little time on the language and culture of the Tat people. Ahmad Kasravi, while conducting a detailed research on Azeri, the language of the Azerbaijanis before the conquest of the Turkic peoples, identified and wrote modern Tati as the last relic of that bright language.:

"Azeri did not suddenly disappear from Azerbaijan, and it is still spoken in several places among the natives themselves, and what we know is that one of those places is Harzand and Glin Qiyeh in the vicinity of Marand, and the other is Zenur and Hasnou in Qara Dagh and Khalkhal.… As we have heard, it was known in Liqvan and its surroundings until sixty-seventy years ago, and it was discussed in families, but then it disappeared..

In terms of reference works, our hands and wings are not very open, but there are books such as Azeris or the ancient language of Azerbaijan by Ahmad Kasravi, Azari dialect by Anarjani, Harzand and Kringan Khalkhal, a dialect of Azari, by Abdul Ali Karang, Ancient language of Azerbaijan by Manouchehr. Mortazavi and some short articles by Ehsan Yar Shater, and works by Yahya Zaka and Rahim Malekzadeh, which can be referred to in order to get familiar with the Tats and the Tati language, but in the Soviet Union, significant works have been done on the Tati language and culture. As even the Tati languages ​​of that country have and have had their own script and script, in the last forty or fifty years, relatively many books and compositions have been published in the Tati language, for example, we can refer to the poems and plays of- Bakhshi F. born in 1910, poems and stories of D. Anti-Louf born in 1913 and legends of Kh- He named his brother F . In 1940, a collection of Tati popular culture was printed and published. There is still not much information about the historical background and evolution of Tati. In his book Azari or the ancient language of Azerbaijan, Ahmad Kasravi called the language of the people of that land before the arrival of the Turks and the spread of the dominant Turkish language and culture as Azari, and he introduced the current Tati as a continuation and survivor of Azari, and this indicates It is that most of the current Turkish Azeri are Turkic Tats.

Russian researchers believe that the word "tat" originally did not refer to a race or tribe, but the desert tribes, who were mostly Turks, called the Iranian-speaking Piseh and Thatha Qapo agricultural people, whom they had subjugated, "tat"..

Tati is actually the same Pahlavi language that was called Tati due to the passage of time and the events of the times. However, Tati today is like most other languages, a concoction made up of various languages.

The text is taken from Tat research database

Rokhshai, the first assistant of Iranian artificial intelligence Rokhshai, the first assistant of Iranian artificial intelligence

Shamshad Amiri Khorasani

Knowing the history and culture of Iran is like entering a world where nothing awaits us except love and honor and sometimes sadness, maybe our history is stored in the memory of our genes so that we can use it to expand self-awareness and self-awareness. .

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Mary

Hello, I am from Tarem city, Zanjan province. A few villages in Tarem have the Tati language. In the past, there were more of these villages, but unfortunately this language is being forgotten and most of the population of these villages migrated to the cities, which caused the loss of this language among their future generations and the dominant language. The people of Tarem have also become Turkish. It is really encouraging to see people like you writing and researching about this ancient language and making people aware about it..

“I am proud of the grass of Tat, and we hope that the grass of the same language everywhere in Iran is healthy and healthy, and the Chiva-speaking people pass by and talk next to Persian.”

Mohammad Abdi Tutkabani

I am one of the Tats of Gilan River. Greetings to all the Tats and Tat speakers of Iran. All the inhabitants of the Alborz mountain range are from the Tat tribe and speak different dialects of the Tati language. Hoping for the unity of all tats from the Caucasus to Khorasan.

Araz Zangan

It's all nonsense, tasteless writing, uneducated, foreign, Turks are one of the most authentic native Iranian nations, this is not said by me and this year, but by archaeologists and linguists.

Ramin Tat Rudbar

I am from the Tats of Gilan. Most of the inhabitants of Rudbar are Tat, and a minority are Turks who live in several Turkic villages such as Manjil, Herzvil and Lushan, whose origins reach Zanjan province, but now these three villages are Turkic.. Before the migration of the Turks, all the inhabitants of Azerbaijan, Dilam, Qazvin and Zanjan belonged to the Tat tribe, and the Tats have their roots in the Madian people, that is, the native inhabitants of the Madian land call themselves Tat and their language is Tati.. Tat and Tad mean mad.

Abul Fadl Baba

Tats of Vofs are authentic and the oldest people of Iran

Abul Fadl Baba

Hoping that one day more attention will be paid to the ancient languages ​​of Iran, especially Tati, and instead of teaching Persian and Arabic lessons in Tati cities.
Learn their mother tongue

tat shawl

I hope one day they will appreciate you more

Vahid

Please don't associate Tat with Turks, why are you trying to make it look like Turks, in the history of Iran, Tats were cohabitants with the Medes, why are you trying to associate them with Turks?

Reza

The north of Iran was totally Tat, later with the arrival of Turks and Aryans, there were changes in the dialect

Araz Zangan

👌👌👍👍

kind

My father is from Tatsferorin Tokastan, my mother is from Zanjan, I am proud that the blood of both of them is in your veins.

Alireza Safavi

The purpose of the author is to describe historical documents
And knowing the history of Iran, even though my father and grandmother were Caucasian, this should not cause linguistic prejudice, and the fact that in the history of a thousand years ago, there were many first-rate poets of Caucasian and Azeri-speaking Persians, Khaqani, who is said to be one of the five speakers in the history of Iranian literature, is a sign. It is without reason that the people of that region spoke Persian, so friends refer to the descriptions of the lives and names of the poets of Azerbaijan.
And why only these regions changed their language, there are different reasons, firstly, most of the Qazlbash and Safavids settled in Azerbaijan, and secondly, these regions were occupied by the Ottomans many times, which caused the Turkish language to disappear and the Persian and Tati languages ​​to weaken.

Mahdi Ghazi

Hello, I found out today that I belong to your race. I am happy. My grandfather was from Amre Arak. His father is Mullah Ali Masti. He is buried in Tehran, and my grandfather is moving to Isfahan..

I am a totem, I am proud of my language

Hi dear friend
Who says the desert Turks were called Tat?
Almost all of them were Talash and Tat until the beginning of East Azarbaijan province, but with the invasion of the Turks, the Tat became extinct from there

The Tati language is different from the Turkish from the ground to the sky 1 Tati dialect is only slightly similar to Turkish
Please be careful

hello my
Ki bigot bi sairai tirkan tat migun
until half of Azerbaijan's old tatans will be destroyed
Tati is very friendly with Turkish, this is Tatani, Herzni's dialect is like that, I have a little help with Turkish, it is similar to the middle valley.
Pay attention

In Tati Taleghani dialect

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Hussain

Hello everyone, I also love Tati from the town of Takestan, the sweet language
I was happy to see that there are so many places for you

Mohammad Shal Asfarorin

I want to go around

Alizad

I saw some points in the text that I didn't think it was bad to point out:
۱- In Iran, we have nearly 10 languages, not 3 (You forgot Assyrian, Armenian, Mandaean, Georgian, Romanian, Brahui, Jadgali, although Hebrew and Avesta languages ​​are also used as religious languages.) Unless you say that we have Sami, Altai and Aryan languages ​​from 3 families

۲- Accent is a sign, not something that can be spoken intentionally, if it is intentional, it will definitely be artificial. For example, a Persian speaker can speak Esfahani, Yazdi, Shirazi, Qomi, etc … have. Or when an English speaker speaks Farsi, they say he has an English accent. In any case, you can see that the differences are in the song and pronunciation, and a few words at most.
Calling Kurdish, Gilaki, and Balochi dialects is like calling European languages ​​dialects of English.. Because some of them are like the simplified English speaking of German. Some are even comprehensible to both parties, such as Swedish and Norwegian or Spanish and Portuguese!
What makes you use this word is the family of these languages, which are all Aryan(Indian and European) and, of course, common words created due to thousands of years of neighborhood

Ali Sohrabi

Hello, Azam Tatim Ardoile Tat

I do not have

It was a comprehensive article. Thanks.

The voice of the victim

My father's mother is one of the Tats of the village, Dastjard Sefla and Nodeh Farab. I, who was born in Tehran, had never even heard the name of the Tat language, and on these sites, I am just now realizing the value and antiquity of this language, the Tats themselves, especially those in They don't know that their language is related to materials and what is its value

The voice of the victim

By using my Android phone, I just found out that my parents are from the Tats who immigrated to the city, Alamut, their language is very old and they belong to the Medes. and have a radio station, and the Tats themselves realize the value of their language

Ava

I myself was born in Tehran, which is unfortunate. With 33 years of age, with access to the Internet with these Android phones, I just found out that my father's mother tongue is Tati, which is related to women, and we who are born in cities, even our parents do not know about their language. That they should teach it to their children and we should realize the importance of this language, my father's mother is from Rudbar and Alamut.

Mohammad Shal Asfarorin

long live tat

Reviewer

People like Dehkhoda, Moin, Minvi, Pordavoud and others have spent days and months finding short writings and descriptions of topics and entries, and their contents stick together in a few minutes to become an article.. And this patchwork is rampant, especially in Revolution Square, in the hands of researchers and thesis writers. I never believed that Russians and Russian methods contributed to world history and literature. They will bring you nothing but confusion.

علی

Hello, my name is Ali and I am from Segzabad Buin Zahra, of course I live in Tehran, but I am very happy to read your valuable content . Please also write about the squatters in Zahra block. Thank you for your useful content. Of course, we are all Iranians and we are proud of our Iran.

Amir

You are fresh 😉🤣

Khosrow

Greetings to you
It should be mentioned that there are Tat tribes living in Golestan province, especially Minodasht city, who mistakenly attribute their ancestry to India.

Ardeshir

Due to its remoteness and accessibility, India has been referred to as a wide region from the perspective of the early historians who were the model for the future. The boundaries of the main languages ​​are clear: modern Khorasan and the Mashhad dialect, Sistan on the shores of the Persian Gulf to Khuzestan and Lori Bakhtiari, I believe this is the path traveled by the Persian language in this region.. It means Khorasan, India.

Tat is more original than Aryan

Why are you trying so hard to attribute Tats to Aryans?
Even though this is the vineyard 7 It is a thousand years old
But the Aryans are limited 3 Or 4 They came to Iran a thousand years ago
And they must have been some kind of attacker
Do you also attribute the original civilization of Sistan and Kerman to Aryans?
And don't attribute the scattering of tattoos all over the country, which shows our age, to one group
at the end
There are more signs of progress and scientific civilization of Iran before the Aryans than during their presence

Alizad

Dear Mr. Panterkist
First, go and do a research about Aryans to understand that Aryans migrated to Indo-Europe, not to their birthplace, which is 3-4 thousand years old.
I suggest you to read the books of late Dr. Jahanshah Derakhshani

Secondly, what is certain is that the Tatas are the heirs of the Medes, who are one of the 3 famous Aryan tribes that formed an empire, so putting a distance between the members of such a famous family is like beating water in a mortar..

Thirdly, the original civilization of Sistan and Kerman is nothing but Aryan, and I refer you to the same 20-year research by Dr. Derakhshani.

According to the text of the Avesta, the Aryans entered this land when the Devas inhabited it. That is, there was no human in this land and water, but according to the saying of today, it was a land of demons and spirits. Now, how did you recognize that the civilization and scientific progress of goblins was greater than the time of human presence?!

In the end, you are so ashamed of your Altaic tribes that you always leave messages in the name of this and that?

Ali Umid

Hi
Lies that revealed a deeper truth!!!!!!
You know, the problem with people like you is that you read two or three articles from Persian Wikipedia and then you start fantasizing. …I can introduce you books about Turks and share the same opinion with me, but the point is that everyone sees the world through his own window, even science like history in most cases, especially 2500 Last year is very relative, so instead of introducing the so-called historical books, I agree with you that the authors are like you, and the past is distorted and they promise people an imagination as the future, use your brain.:
1- Leave less than 1000 In the current year of ruling Iran, even one dynasty did not make Turkish the official language of the country, so how can it be done once (so to speak) Azeris or Tats or any other names you discover are Turks?
2- It is interesting here that during all these years, almost all of present-day Iran was under the control of governments of Turkish descent, so why only the people of Azerbaijan were Turkified?.
3-Also, according to what you and your friends said, you can change the language very easily and easily for anyone you want, and of course it is due to nationalistic complexes, and maybe one day you will say that Indians were also Iranian speakers.. Under 150 The year of the racist and fascist Pahlavi government should now be neither Arabic nor Turkish (so to speak) He stays in Iran.
I'm not much of a person to argue with people like you, but my heart is burning, I wrote this only because of the sentence of the hereafter, and in response to the sentence of the hereafter.:
No, brother, as you know, and maybe you have led yourself to that path. If only one nation in Iran is proud of their history, that is the Turks, let me tell you why? Even though I know, you know.: (What can I say? Can I tell you when? In all the ages of history, there was not even a moment when there was not a Turkish empire in the world, who should I say?……..Can I tell you about the size? You know this better than me )
In my opinion, instead of insulting the identity and language of your relatives, you should refer to yourself and see when you are questioning our identity and language when speaking with a language that is sixty-five percent from another language, its forms, names, times, and even its literary arrays are from another language. You look so ridiculous to us….

Aassadi

Turkish did not exist abroad until 4000 years ago. Look at this vineyard, it is 7000 years old. The Persians don't have an ancient history like you. We were here before the arrival of the Parthians and Persians, my dear friend.

یاس

Go get lost, Jews, write a story for you, you too believed, just sit and see what these Jews are doing to you.

Reza

درود . Tats are the original inhabitants of Iran. Before the Aryans. According to the date of at least seven to eight thousand years. Unfortunately, our historians are not looking for pre-Aryan inhabitants in Iran . burnt City 12 It is a thousand years old, they are definitely not Aryans, the main and early inhabitants of Iran should be researched more

Armin

With regards and respect, first of all, the theory that Indo-Europeans or Indo-Iranians or whatever you want to call them from the steppes of Eurasia entered the Iranian plateau has been questioned for some time. South Caucasus has taken place, the evidence is that these migrations were the other way around and in fact migrations took place from Iran and the Caucasus was used like a bridge. Secondly, Azerbaijan is primarily (Compared to Turks and Iranians, I have nothing to do with other peoples who may have existed before these two peoples)There were people of Iranian descent who spoke the ancient Azeri language. If you do a little research, you will understand about the ancient Azeri language. Or if the Internet is not a criterion for you, I suggest you to read Ahmad Kasravi's book about the Azeri people.. that this language is still spoken in some parts of Azerbaijan with a slight difference and it is moving towards extinction, and thirdly, the Turkic language of Azerbaijanis has gradually taken place and several factors are involved in this Turkic language.. And if you pay attention to the Azeri language, you will see that it has Persian words and also words that do not exist in modern Persian, which in turn indicates the entry of the ancient Azeri language into their current language. . Usually, a language that becomes extinct also leaves its own words. And that the Turks may have entered Iran in small groups before the collapse of the Samanids, for whatever reason, let it be because of exile, but there is no evidence to show this, but In general, after the collapse of the Samanids and the taking over of the government by the Turkic Turks, a large-scale migration of Turks to Western Asia, including Asia Minor, Syria, Iraq, and Iran, began and continued more or less until the Mongol period. Golestan province, because they have intra-ethnic ties, they have Iranian genetics, or at least they have genetics similar to other Iranians. I have nothing to do with race, because the race of all people on earth today is of the homo-sapien-sapien race, but the descendants of the Turkic speakers of Iran are Iranians. They are also due to their genetics. I am not saying that DNA testing has been done and that most of the controversy is about Azeris. They are one line. And to say that the Turks are less than a thousand years old They ruled in Iran, yes, almost, but with the help of the Iranians, how could the Seljuks not reach the power they had in their era if Nizam al-Mulk was not the minister?. And besides, it was the Turks that during their era Iran's culture and literature flourished significantly, because they basically lacked a culture to impose on the Iranians, rather they accepted the same culture.. Although the Turks of that time were of the original Turkic descent, our current Turkic-speakers were dissolved in the society over time until today, and they are considered Iranian, just as their civilization was dissolved in the Iranians. Genetically, only 15% are similar to Central Asian Turks, and otherwise, their genetic affinity is dominant with Anatolian natives, then Caucasians, and many of them are also similar to Iranians. In fact, current Turks are a multi-ethnic nation. The policy they have and the belief that they are among the survivors of Seljuk Ghay and… And iftikhar to the previous Turkish kings, they say we are Turks. And as a general rule, the Akhtats are of Iranian origin and their language is a sub-branch of Iranian languages. My father is you. And that the content was written in a very compact way, because there is so much volume of content that it is impossible to say everything. Be patient.

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The Aryan race was formed from the north-west and east since the time of the Medes

Bro, why are you arguing like this, now there is a Persian named Mirmalas in our city 50000 It is old only in France ?? There is only one, now I will say that we were before the Aryans, then the Ottoman Turks say that we came from Kazakhstan, why do you say that we were here since ancient times, then look, why are you not like the Uzbeks ??? Then, worry too much, go and take a genetic test, tell them to compare it with diapers, and see how similar this is ?? You are new **** ? First Osmani, you cursed Babak Khorramdin, even now I am afraid of Shah Ismail, leave tomorrow ***** Badban Ye Erdoğan after South America 1 The percentage is not European, why do they speak Spanish? Men, tell me the answer. Why does Egypt speak Arabic or Scotland does not speak English? The Spanish were in South America from the beginning. ???? Then why aren't you yellow-skinned, then don't worry, leave by yourself. After all, you will see your fathers in that world. I will see you leave with Azari. Now don't be too hard. As the famous saying goes, the moon doesn't stay under the clouds. ?

علی

Hello to all my friends, especially those who speak Tat
I hope that we will be able to preserve the authentic Iranian culture that the Tats have endured in the historical test and talk to our own children and pass on this authentic culture to them so that like many other countries, they will not suffer. “Identity Crisis” don't sit down.
In addition, we Tat speakers, with all the differences we have, should remember that we have a big common point and all “tat” We are and also Iranian.
Ardebilak village-8 km from Qazvin city
Thanks

Ashkan(Cyrus, the father of Iran)

It can be a greeting card(Historical questions)Answer in the Q&A section of Parsian Dej

Morteza

Peace be upon you
I was looking for Tati's roots a lot
I am from Charzeh village in Tarem Zanjan city

Amir reza

Hello, I am posting from Khalkhal. My mother is one of the family members of Gilvan Khalkhale.

I am the national team ! Gonna!!!!

Soroush

I am Tat too
From Sankhasat city, North Khorasan province
Please write more about Khorasan tattoos

in....777

Hello . I was so happy to see this post . I myself am the totem of the city of Segzabad . Boyin Zahra, Qazvin.

God, if possible, post from our city . like this

Mohammad Shal Asfarorin

Zinda Bi Tat Sfarorin Shal Khoznin Dansfahan Segzabad Boyin and Ishtehard and Takestan

kourosh

Hi . Please ask questions (Cyrus the great and a new definition of western historians) which was raised in the question and answer section . answer

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