Are the Bakhtiaris the survivors of the Achaemenids?
Below we discuss some of the main reasons for this discussion, which leads to the proof of this issue：
۱- Herodotus, the famous Greek writer and historian, writes this way in his book History of the Achaemenians： Hakhamanesh (Ancestor of Cyrus) It was headed by Ili Kochero from the Pars tribe, who was in the Bakhtiari mountains (Middle Zagros) they lived. And in fact, Achaemenid is born of Bakhtiari mountains.
۲- Cyrus the Great writes in his charter： (I am Cyrus their king. The king of the four corners of the world…) Cyrus mentions them first in this text. The place itself was born there, and in fact, the great Achaemenid Empire was formed and expanded from this region. It should not be said that Anshan is the name of present-day Izeh in Khuzestan and one of the important cities of his government at that time, where the central temples of idolatry were located.(Thank you) This is the present Suleiman Mosque, which is a completely Bakhtiari-populated area.
۳- the dress that Achaemenid kings and soldiers wore; If we look closely, it is very similar to Bakhtiari men's clothes (Chuga) has it. name”Chuga” Also derived from “Chughazanbil” Zoroastrian and Achaemenid temple.
۴- Shirsingi (Bradsher) which the Bakhtiaris place on the graves of their elders is one of the symbols of the capitals of Persepolis.
Hello, many greetings and with respect to my dear compatriots … It is very easy to find out which Iranian nation or tribe Cyrus the Great was born in. I will open a parenthesis here (Which Iranian tribe has the most history in Iran? ) Second, which people's culture is the closest to the Achaemenid culture, and third, which Iranian race is most similar to the Achaemenians? …. And fourth, in which region of Iran is the birthplace of Cyrus ….. When you look at these options and think in every way( The Bakhtiaris )The closest tribe to the Achaemenians is Kama( Turks, Baluchis, Persians, Kurds and other Iranian tribes have much less history in Iran and their culture is far away from the Achaemenids. … Like singing or doing (The Achaemenian instrument, which is very popular among the Bakhtiari people today, and this custom is still valid, or the Bakhtiari dress of Chagha or Chogha, the pattern of this dress is derived from Chaghazambil. …. So, dear fellow countrymen, if you have proof that Cyrus the Great was from your tribe, please speak with proof and do not insult other tribes. …. In the end, I wish pride for my compatriots in these years full of sadness
Achaemenians are the Afghan Aryan Pashtuns who were and are genius warriors and are leaders in any century and any country.
Regarding the writings of Hamdullah Mostofi, of course, there is a possibility that Bakhtiari went to Jabal al-Samaq and Syria and returned to these areas #but we must refer to the source of the results of DNA tests, which show a great similarity between Bakhtiari's paternal DNA and Syrian Arabs. LT is
We have no such thing as the Arab race. The Arabs themselves are the ancestors of Greeks, Iranians, Italians, blacks, Babylonians, Guldanians, Sumerians, Israelites, and… have. Therefore, the similarity between the people of Iran and Syria was not due to the migration of the Syrian people to Iran!! It was because of the migration of Iranians to Syria. Genetic archeology does not support such nonsense. It actually confirms the opposite! Arab people owe about 27% of their blood to Iranian ancestors. For more than a thousand years, Arab-speaking countries were under the control of Iranians. (From the Elamite period to the Sassanids!) So don't talk nonsense and don't stick to non-Iranian people. By the way, the left and the right of you are saying, Hamdallah Mostofi, Hamdallah Mustafi, you have learned something and now you stick to it like a tick.… Let go, dad
Don't write poetry, please, until the Qajar period, no name of Bakhtiari was seen anywhere in history # Historians write about the Zagros mountains, then you wrote the Bakhtiari mountains, then you wrote the Middle Zagros in parentheses. # The Bakhtiaris in Anshan or Izeh region or anywhere in Iran two thousand and seven hundred years ago until now have been the settlements of various tribes, including Chaghazanbil, which is related to the Elamite period, not the Achaemenid period. In addition, Hamdallah Mostofi wrote that the Bakhtiari, Mamsani and several other tribes about nine hundred years ago from Syria and Coming to this area, the results of genetic tests also make this theory stronger
Korosh Ler Bakhtiari did not say I am Persian, what he meant by saying I am Persian means that I am Iranian, Lers are Elamites or the same people who have lived in Iran for 12 thousand years and have lived in Ilam, Isfahan, Khuzestan, Lorestan, Central, Fars and Kerman since ancient times. they do
No, my dear, talk with documents – The Bakhtiaris were not lers at all, and even Cyrus the Great made the lers obey him with the force of the sword
According to the documents of Greek historians, the Persian tribes were divided into six urban and ten-dwelling tribes and four nomadic tribes..
According to them, the urban clans were:: Pasargadians, Murphians, Maspians, Pantalians, Drusians, Germanians; Also, there are four nomadic clans: Dais, men, dropsies, Sagartis
Today, the separation of these clans is not clear. The Greek Ctesias has introduced Cyrus the Great from the Mardi tribe. Also, the soldiers of Ariobarzan have been introduced to the army of Mardians and Sogdians. The men were members of the Achaemenid Immortal Guard and fought in the center of the Achaemenid army and around the king..
The men fought alongside Ariobarzen, and after Alexander captured Persepolis, he again attacked the men's tribe in the mountains around Persepolis and suppressed them again.. Until the Qajar era, men lived in Beida, Sepidan, Mamsani and Yasouj under the name Tirmardan or Men's tribe.. Tirmardan river and castle in Doshmen Ziyari Mamsani still exists. The rest of this clan were exiled to Jahrom and Sirjan Kerman due to their support of Lotf Ali Khan Zand, and they are known as Lori Sohrab Khani in Sirjan and Soltani in Jahrom.. In the book of Sardar Asad Bakhtiari, the translation of the inscription of Kol Farah Izeh is mentioned, who wrote that this inscription was carved by the kings of men who were a part of ancient Elam, and wrote that I, the king of men, conquered this place.. Therefore, from Izeh to the vicinity of Persepolis, they are called Anshan and it was ruled by men or men or men's tribe..
From the race of men, later kings of Bazrangi(Bazrangian) They arose because the name of their king was Bazrang, and until the Sassanids were formed in the Ron Plain, which today is mistakenly called the Rum Plain. (Boyer Ahmad) Ardashir grew up in Gochahar Bazarangi's court in Memsani's Sefid Castle and under his tutelage.. The old Bazrang Plain was today's Yasuj, and the Garmsir Bazrangian is Bazrang Chenarshahijan, which still has the same name.. Later, they built the city of Bishahpur in Kazroon near the current village of Bazrang.
The Achaemenid center of Lidoma was in Fehlian Mamseni, and there is the tomb of Da and Dover, which is similar to the tomb of Darius.. Lidoma Palace, which is very similar to Persepolis, was discovered as the fourth Achaemenid palace. You can see the word Lidoma with a simple search.. There is a large Korangon inscription in Memseni related to Achaemenid ancestors next to Lidoma.
What is certain is that the people of Bakhtiari, Kohgiluyeh and Boyer Ahmad, Mamsani, Sepidan Fars, Beyza Fars, Marvdasht, Arsanjan Fars, Kazron and Kohchenar Fars were all from the tribe of Lertbar men.. And all of them wore black or pale black shawls, Qabas and round hats. The current dress of Bakhtiari was made official and mandatory in order to create unity during the Qajar era. The video of the drilling of the first oil well in Suleiman Mosque shows the Bakhtiari people with shawls and robes and clothes similar to Lorestan, Boyer and Mamsani..
A friend pointed out that in the book of Hamdallah Mostofi, it is mentioned that the Iranian soldiers came from Syria, they are returning from Syria because the Seljuk sultan had gone to Syria and Lebanon to help Salah al-Din Ayubi to help the Muslims in the Crusades against the Christians. And because of the harsh attitude of the Sunnis who had declared the blood of Shiites permissible by Imam Muhammad Ghazali of the Sunni religion and had executed a large number of Shiites, along with the Hashemite Arab Shiites who were from Hejaz, they returned to Iran and later formed Atabakan Ler or Thousand Horses in Izeh. they give. These were 36 Ler clans who had gone to Syria.
The unity of Ler people as an authentic and Iranian ethnic group of Elamite and Aryan will preserve the integrity of our beloved Iran..
Greetings to all dear ones
I am one of those people, or Izeh or Anshan, Bakhtiarim, the birthplace of Kuresh was in Kol Farah Izeh, and the Bakhtiaris are the same Hakhamanshians without a doubt.
Jack, don't tell me, God
Thank you for coming
If Iran did not have Bakhtiari land
Who will conquer Tehran?
When no Iranian, government or non-government
It's hard to deal with English…
It was Shir Ali Mardan Khan Bakhtiari who told the English
If the English eagle flies in the sky of Iran
I will ransom his feathers
Long live Bakhtiari
But Iran should not have Bakhtiari land
Until you and your ilk worshiped the Queen of England
Bakhtiaris are Medes and Bactrians. Compare the Bakhtiari tribes with Medes, for example Mog or Mogoi, Astrakhti or Asterki, Bodi or Bavadi, Busi or Besak, Arizenti or Arpanahi and…Even the Persians are covered by Madiye, there is a tribe in Ilam called Maspi, which is one of them, and the Kurds are from the Zagarti and Germani of Parsen, and the Soran tribe is the same Soren Parthian, the Horami are the same as the Arameans, and the Gilani are from the Persian Amard….
Look, dear ones, you know the history of Iran on the contrary. According to the history, the Bakhtiyars and the Velers became a tribe. I myself am a Bakhtiari, and I am saying this. Before the Achaemenid era, the Madh Qadr tribe had a hand in it. Koresh's mother was from the Bakhtiari Lors, that is, Koresh was the niece of the Bakhtiari Lors. From Shiraz, Isfahan, Kerman to Sitan, the central plateau of Iran, but the Persian people did not have the power to wage war like the Medes, and their power was similar to that of the Medes. According to the current document, the Medes were the Kurdistan of Syria, Kurdistan of Iraq, the Zagros of Iran, and the Lori language was created from the mixture of Persian and Medes. Like the Laks, who are from Lori and Kurds, after the Achaemenid rule, from Snakdar Macedonian, the Lori or Medes, because at that time there were no Lori and Kurds, they were not a Madian tribe, so the Migrans and the Sassanid government that founded the only warring and conquering people of Iran were the Madians, the Persians were a creative people. They were like the Yazds of Esfahania, but they were not a warrior people, and the Parthians, who went to Afghanistan and Tajiks, did important actions in Iran. Afgan, who took the Safavid government from the Turks, drove out their leaders, marched to India, brought mountains, light, sea, light, light, and treasure, the Medes have done.
Other countries also have ancient monuments. The whole honor of the Achaemenids was to destroy the Egyptian civilization. Because it seems that it was with their conquest that Egypt was destroyed. None of the Bakhtiari words are similar to the old Persian of the Achaemenid period. That loose dress similar to a skirt and colored eyes make them closer to being Greek. In my opinion, this qibla is the remnants of Alexander's soldiers who ruled the Seleucids and did not rule at all.. Finally, they should be here.
Bakhtiari is one of the most noble ethnic groups in Iran!!!
What are you talking about? Now I don't know if they are from the generation of Cyrus and Achaemenians or not, but they are of Iranian origin.….What you are saying is an insult!
Their clothes are similar to Achaemenian clothes or other periods of ancient Iran and have nothing to do with Greece or anything like that.!
What do you say about these things? They are the first ones, some say that the Bakhtiaris are from the roots of Kasia. They know that the area under their rule was the Zagros mountains. Do you not agree? Read the book with you, or search for the history of Iran before Islam. After that, the Bakhtiaris fought with Alexander. I don't know the reason for this
What are they saying, they are a coward, they are talking about the Bakhtiaris
Hello friends
It doesn't matter which tribe you are.
You also heard that Cyrus the Great conquered everywhere
Regardless of race and beliefs, he served his people and these statements have a historical document.
Now it is really unfortunate that some people make the issue ethnic and religious. I myself am a Bakhtiari, but I say without bias, it doesn't matter where it came from, the important thing is that the name of Iran is eternal and Cyrus the Great had the same wish..
Payende Iran
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It is correct to bring it to English, but it has another meaning
What does Persian Achaemenians have to do with Lor and Bakhtiari?
If you don't have eyes, don't complain! The proverb says: Either full salary or full salary
What else are you saying, what does it have to do with your request?
no no sir .. Koresh was born” Neyriz ” It is Fars and its origin is Pasargadi or the city of Parse, i.e. present-day Marvdasht ! If we say according to your words that his father was the head of the Ili, it is not the Bakhtiari family ! Rather, it is Basari tribe or Basargadi tribe ! I am Persian and born in Shiraz . There are many traces of Achaemenid life around Lake Marlow . Whatever it was, it has nothing to do with Zagros . Thankful
A camel sees cotton seeds in a dream. In the entire history of the province, there have been some great men. Now the people of your city have courage . It was the same in the past. So stop stealing Bakhtiari's history
Friends, according to all studies and Bakhtiari's death, he is also mentioned in the history of Bei Nahrin, or like a book of the era. 13 The author of this book is a Jew and has nothing to do with Iran and Iranianness, but you can get it directly from the authentic book of the 13th century in the Amazon bookstore.
Achaemenesh zah il ler vorsta, play and pla wabi a man of the world, the hair of Tate Za Korosh and Ardashir, the hair of Takht Jamshid, took me, my countrymen, have a little zeal for nationalism, take a look at the borders of our country and see who is the border regiment, your name is eternal Cyrus. Happy birthday in advance, long live Iran, long live Bakhtiari
Greetings to the Bakhtiari people
The first and last of Iran is the land “Bakhtiari” Male and female lions of Ilam ❤❤
This photo of me and my cousin, we are from Ler tribe and Bakhtiari tribe, Koresh is the great pride of all Iranians, whether we are from the same tribe and race as Achaemenians or not, it doesn't matter, the main point is that I am Iranian and Koresh was also Iranian.
It is impossible to be Cyrus Bakhtiari, only some bigoted people cling to history without any information. Let me give a simple example, how do you know that it was the main residence of the Bakhtiari? For example, in our city, which is Khuzestan, there was not a single Bakhtiari family until 50 years ago, but today all Bakhtiaris have migrated from all over Iran. It is bold to say that 60% of the city's population has become Bakhtiari and they somehow took over the city because of their large population, and it is interesting now. Their new generation says that our city should stay now until the next hundred years. Their results claim that this place was the residence of our ancestors. Well, at that time, they were urban dwellers, not nomads, all the people of Iran know that Bakhtiari were nomads from a long time ago, not palace dwellers and city dwellers. As a result, like today, they are calling our city by their own name. A few hundred years ago, Anshan city and other cities were named after themselves. In addition, Chagha means hill, the name Chaghazanbil has nothing to do with Chagha Bakhtiari. Chaghazanbil was a temple during the Elamite period.
You tell me your origin, I will see if you know that you are stuck instead of the fashion of civilization of Iran, Pars and Elam, they are all the same people with different clans, which of course have different names. Because your origin is unclear, Pars and Elamites are tribes living in Khuzestan, and you are not Pars
Lor was a scientist from Parsumash who was given this title by Dariush Achaemenshi.
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The Lers were, are, and will be palace dwellers
If you are the owner of Khuzestan, then your population would prevail, shut that mouth and brain full of knots
In my opinion, clans and clans of the Four Langs are descendants of the Sasanians
Alas for you that your blind bigotry forbids you to accept that Cyrus is a leer
I really doubt your writing jokes instead of commenting
You can search on the internet ( Chuga : Lor Bakhtiari men's clothing ) And see the results? When you see the similarity and the stain of jealousy is removed from your eyes, everything is clear
The current land of Bakhtiari has been the settlement of "different" human groups for thousands of years. Various evidences show that the ancient land of Bakhtiari was inhabited ten thousand years ago. Natural resources and facilities, such as water, forests, pastures, adequate rainfall, abundant reservoirs, and valleys suitable for agriculture, had turned this land into one of the best habitats and gathering places for human groups in the past.. In addition to these facilities, in the heights of Zagros and its slopes, it had provided a suitable environment for the growth of fodder plants and various species of animals..
Archaeological evidence
Archaeological excavations show that human habitation in this area reaches forty thousand years.. Cultural remnants of the Paleolithic, Mesolithic, Neolithic and urban periods can be seen in this area.. The land of Bakhtiari is among the limited lands where humans domesticated animals and plants for the first time, or in other words, began the life of tenement and agriculture, which is necessary for the emergence of civilization..
I am a senior Ler. Choqa was common among Temalers in the olden days. Bakhtiar's choqa is derived from Fili's choqa.
Click on the Internet to read about Philly's shirt. I first saw a picture of my grandfather with this dress, then I researched
Mr. Ler Mamseni, it is not bad for you to refer to the original clothes of Ilet ladies!
And also very beautiful, original and……
The symbol of Lerha Choqa is one of the most authentic clothes in Iran.
You are enmity with your friend
of job
This gentleman also said the same
Hi
Thank God a thousand times, Cyrus the Great has his own inscription. In his inscription, he directly says, "I am the king of their country. It is the same as the current era, which is completely Bakhtiari. Now, I don't know why some people feel pressured to say that he was Bakhtiari."
Well, this is a truth, now you are fooling yourselves.
It is interesting that there is another group, they claim that they are from the Elamites, it is not known who is attacking them, may God heal them, the name of the tribe is Dezfuli, only God has given them a language. ??
Well, the problem is that you are not using your brain
In the same inscription, it was written that their king is the king of Elam
Greetings to a unified Iran
Friends, as Mr. Shamshad Amiri said, ideas without mentioning the source are rejected…
According to Herodotus, the father of Persian history, there were several tribes, the Pasargadians, the Maraspians, and the Maspians in the Middle Zagros region, the Mardins in the southern plains of Persepolis, and the Garmans in Kerman.…..The Kermanshahs of Northern Zagros and other areas spread and pointed out precisely that the curve of the Karoun river, where it moves towards the Jalga, on both sides of its coast and in the area of Parsumash, which is the present-day Suleiman Mosque (According to the opinion of French Grishman, the slave area of Suleiman Mosque is located)Achaemenid the Great of Pasargadian, who was from the royal family, built a castle, and according to Grishman, Cyrus the Great was born in this castle, and it should not be added that wherever Suleiman is mentioned in our country, it is related to the Achaemenid Cyrus, so that after Islam In order to prevent the destruction of Achaemenid monuments by the Arabs, Pasargad was called the tomb of Suleiman's mother, and Parsumas, the birthplace of Cyrus, was called Suleiman's Mosque.…..Friends, no positive result will be obtained from destroying each other. Let's all try to follow the unity of the Iranian peoples and instead of useless arguments, we should raise our studies and be aware of our roots and history. Indeed, a nation that is aware of its history will never fail and learn from history. They learn a lesson and do not seek to experience history again……Greetings to a patriotic Iranian who is aware of history.
Memsani is the origin of Achaemenids, especially Cyrus, namely Achaemenid, Chisipish, Cyrus I, Kambojie I, Cyrus II(Cyrus the Great) and Cambogia II, the son of Cyrus the Great, who was the conqueror of Egypt and the founder of the 27th dynasty of Egyptian pharaohs…After the weakness and decline of Elam, the Persians took power and soon their land(Mamsani and Boyer) He left it to Koresh, which started from today's Behbahan and went up to Milian Beyda(Calibration) It was wide…Before the plains of Elam (Khuzestan) left it to his other son Aryarmene…For this reason, some historians divide the Achaemenids into Cyrus in Anshan and Darius in the Elam plain.…As it was written, the beginning of the Achaemenid period was in Anshan itself and in today's Memseni.…All the palaces of Achaemenid until Kamboja II are the children of Cyrus the Great, that is, from Achaemenid to Kamboja II.(the Cyrus)….Aryarmene, the elder brother of Koresh, who had the power in the Khuzestan plain, after him, the power passed to his son, Vishtasep, and with the death of Kamboja, on his return from Egypt, Darius the Great, the son of Vishtasep, took power, and his power extended beyond the Elam plain.(Khuzestan) became the successor of Cambogia, the emperor of the Achaemenid Empire, and the name Pars, which was an expression of race, was applied to the entire plains of Elam and Anshan. This is the reason why it was during the time of Darius that Pars gave the Achaemenid region as a governmental name to the Achaemenid Empire as a racial term. Or so Cyrus said in his glorious speech in Babylon after the conquest of Babylon:From today, our empire will be called Achaemenid in memory of my grandfather, and until the end of Cambodia, it was called by the same name.…The tribes that remain in Memsani today have kept their ancient names….Javid, whose name is Yadgareh Javid guard of Achaemenid and Sassanid immortals…Rostam is the memory of Rostam Dostan…Behkish Yadgar Mobdan…The enemy of Zyari who did not take the 17th souvenir is Memseni and Boyer and all over Pars with Zyyar clan during the days of Dilmian who is the enemy of Zyari(Enemies of Al-Ziyar) became famous…Dilemians were among the survivors of Bahram Gur who fled to the north after the fall of Sassanid and during the time of Al-Ziyar in Pars they tried hard to establish a new Sassanid in Iran and the battle of Baghdad and…It was one of their struggles, but they did not succeed…After the fall of the Achaemenid Empire and the rise of the Parthians, Pars did not accept the Parthians as a king, although the early Parthians were especially militarily dependent on Pars, and even the Javid Guard continued to live under the same name during the Parthian era, but the assassination of Soren Sardar A Persian name whose birthplace is the East region, which is called Paradoma in the Achaemenid tablets, and today is called Sorenabad Javed Mamsani.(Contrary to what the Sistani claim, Soren was a Persian, not a Sistani) Even Rostam Dastan was from the tribe of men and Zagrossi on his father's side, and he was the grandson of Mehrab Kabuli on his mother's side, that's why the family of Rostam Mamsani is called Rostam Dastan, the White Fortress of Mamsani.(white castle) which is given in Shahnameh….The reader of the book, Speid, was the fortress, the hope of the Iranians…The strap is stretched from side to side…Bahlo is still the same name as the village at the foot of the White Fortress and Pahlo is also Pahlian(Fahlian is today).This fort is also known as Esfadiar fort and it is the same fort that Afrasiab and Sohrab attacked and there is a famous prisoner called Sohrab prison above the fort and below the fort is the village of Dasht Razm, whose name is known as a place where the battle between Rostam and Sohrab took place. it fell….On all sides, the assassination of Soren and even Vishka was the Parthian fear of the return of power to Persia, the relationship between Parthia and Parthia became darker, and by minting Parthian coins with Greek goddesses, it provoked strong opposition from Parsis to the point that Parsis minted its own coins for the same reason. The reason for the name Iran during the Parthian era was Parthia, and Pars was not considered to be part of it, because Pars did not believe in Parthia….Later, from the old days(Mamsani, Kohgilouye and Boyerahmad) The Sassanids rose and reunified the Iranian plateau with exemplary nationalism and brought it to Achaemenid glory.…Elam, meaning beyond the water, is the name of the land of Iran in one of the Mesopotamian languages…What they call the Elamites are the Khozi people, and their main land is west of Bushehr and south of Khuzestan, and today their survivors live in the same areas, but all over Khuzestan.(The plains of Elam) and them(From Behbahan to Kohgiluyeh Boyerahmad, Memsani and to Milian Beyza) It was in the power of Elam until the Achaemenids in the old Anshan(Mamsani and Boyer) They took power….Arabs hoard them(Mamsani's old name) And Anshank was called Baida….The ancient tribe of Mamasen, which some have taken to mean the great elders, which is derived from the words Meh and Sen, and some call its letters from words that mean the sign of a seal.(Sun) And it is Venus…The extent of this ancient clan started from Goyim of Shiraz and continued to the lords of Bakhtiari. It had 14 big clans and was known as 14 Guerrilla Guerrillas.(Javed, Bekhish, Rostam and Doshen Ziari) The disintegration of the Mamasen clan began in the Mongol era and reached its peak during the Qajar era and the massive migrations to Sistan(Memorials of Sistan) The migration of the Qaids to the south, the migration of the Makunds, which originated from this clan, Ali Delwari(Children of spears = spear throwers) Bakhtiari and other tribes that migrated to Bakhtiari, which are known today as Membini, Kiani, Mamsani, and Javed, Javand.…Some of them migrated to Iraqi Kurdistan, which are known as Masni, Sanjabi, and some tribes migrated to Lorestan…Boyer clan(archers) Today, it is known as the province of Kohgiluyeh and Boyer Ahmad…Many years after the fall of Sassanid, Mehrgan became the ruler of Javid Mamsani. At that time, Javid was the size of a large clan, and it started from the Goyim of Shiraz, which is the western border of Mamsani, and Aspidan.(White) Melian Plain, Parsigan(Parsijan) Sorenabad(Paradoma) Up to today's Fahlian bridge, which is the eastern boundary of Javid's two-story bridge, it was the area of Javid's tribe, and even when Javid was reduced to the size of a clan, it never shared an ilkhanate with today's Mamsani clans, and even today, those class divisions in 7 Sassanid classes are seen in Javid. Vertical movement can be done on hard floors…Today, the village of Keira(Cora) In Javid, which is most likely the birthplace of Koresh Korai(Cyrus the Great) Okay, in memory of Mehrgan Sasani Mehrangan(Mehranjan Javid) It is called and its old place is still called Kora. After Mehrgan Giluyeh, he became the Sassanid ruler and then the ruler of all of Mamasen.(great mamsani)It happened that nowadays Gilomar Javed and Kohgiloye(Giloy mountain) They are relics of Sassanid Giloyeh…The tomb known as Da and Dover in Mamseni is considered to be the tomb of Achaemenid Cyrus I, and some historians believe it to be related to the mother and daughter of Cyrus II.(Cyrus the Great) They know. The Achaemenians and Sassanians arose from the present-day Memseni and Boer, and the Achaemenians, who were from the tribe of men, took power after the decline of the Khozis, known as the Elamites.…In one of the inscriptions, I think Xerxes calls himself King of Men in Susa, and Darius mentions Cyrus the Korai in one of the inscriptions.…Memseni was the 4th district of Pars, and in the tablets discovered in Persepolis, 14 Memseni regions are mentioned today, one of which is Keira.(Cora) And the other one is the Pars Governorate, that is, Lydima, whose columns were also taken out from the underground…Lydima(Lidoma) It was the Achaemenid summer capital….
Just one question, if Achaemenid's court was Mamsani, tell me why we have Kamboj village in Izeh!! Tell me why the stone inscriptions of Kol Farah Izeh, which is four thousand years old, are called the father of Persepolis, tell me why the second and winter palace of Achaemenid is in Bakhtiari land, and tell me why he called himself Shah Izeh. ?
@Arya
Come up with an Avesta phrase, I have nothing to do with you??
We, the Bakhtiari tribe, are descendants of Kuresh. We, the Bakhtiaris, will never forget our elders, and some of them, we cannot say, looted or sold the historical monuments of the Achaemenid, Sassanian, Parthian periods to European countries or other countries, such as the statue of Khashir Shah several years ago. And a month later, in front of all the people, he was transferred to England, and then they falsely say that he was taken to Tehran. Research should be done. This is also one of the works of our history. They sold it to other countries. We will never forget our elders. Bakhtiari was a tall man And the head will be tall
Who was the great Bakhtiari during the time of Shapur I Sasanian?
No, sir. All the people of Iran wore that felt hat until the Qajar period, until it was replaced by the Pahlavi hat. Take photos of the Qajar period, at that time the people of Yazd, Kerman and Tehran also wore felt hats, this does not mean that it is a hat or those people were also hat.! A bit of logic!
The Bakhtiarian felt hat is four thousand years old, and the hat you mentioned was different from the Bakhtiarian hat, and basically no ethnic group wore a black felt hat during the Qajar era, this is also from the logic you are saying.
Soldiers, elders and scientists wore white hats at that time
Now I see white beards and our scientists wearing white caps on their heads
No, it was long or something, but it is similar?
In recent years, some people have tried to root the name of Cyrus, Rezai Bagh Bedi has mentioned some of them..
A material word and a combination of "blind" (Boy) and "Osh" (Lighting) It means "son of light".(Words – You made a fortune)
A Kurdish word and a combination of "blind" (Boy) and "spray" (Black) meaning "black boy"(Here "black" is a sign of greatness and respect.).
combination of "blind" (Boy) and method" (Sun) It means "son of the sun" and Bakhtiari and Kurdish.
A combination of the material word kora-* (Boy) and the Avestan word aša- (the truth) It means "true boy".(The first part of the chorus in Bakhtiari means son)
Originally it was "Khorosh" which means "like the sun" and is a Kurdish word.
Related to the Greek word κύρτός meaning "server, ruler"
Related to the Greek word κύρτός meaning "bent, curly" meaning "curly, one who has curly hair"
Cyrus's friends belong to Him:
But I need to mention a few things
Language, customs, and current documentation are considered accessible. While in Bakhtiari language (The same language that survived Pahlavi Persian) And similar words of Shahnameh and Bakhtiari language should be mentioned: like the. Dosh, Khordam, Bangesht and … For example, it is mentioned in the Shahnameh that Rostam tied the mace to the saddle: Other than the Bakhtiaris, do they mean Kash???(Department of Persian Literature, Shahrekord Azad University)
You can refer to the books of preserving the works of Jundi Shapur: There is clearly mentioned more 250 The word is mentioned in the Avesta book and the language of the people of Khuz and ancient Iran, which is used repeatedly in Bakhtiari's daily conversations today.: Like and like Jakor- The official record of preserving the works of Jundi Shapur- ص 541-542
Please, the documentary of Zagros, my mother, made by the archeology department of Tehran University- Documentary by Brad Gorey (Investigating the burial of Cyrus, Achaemenians, ancient Iranians and Bakhtiaris) See the construction of the country's radio and television.
I share this article for my loved ones:
Announcement of Population Data
A Y-STR database of Iranian and Azerbaijanian minority populations
Author links open overlay panelLutzRoeweraSaschaWilluweitaMarkStonekingbIvanNasidzeb
Abstract
Seventeen Y-chromosomal short tandem repeats (Y-STR) DYS19, DYS389I, DYS389II, DYS390, DYS391, DYS392, DYS393, DYS385a, DYS385b, DYS437, DYS438, DYS439, DYS448, DYS456, DYS458, DYS635 and GATA H4 were studied in five minor linguistic groups from Iran (Arabs, Gilaki, Mazandarani, Bakhtiari and Southern Talysh) and one from Azerbaijan (Northern Talysh) with the goal of constructing of a representative Y-STR database for this region in Southwest Asia. Analysis of Molecular Variance (AMOVA) low genetic distances between the Iranian Gilaki, Mazandarani, Bakhtiari and Kurd populations, but larger genetic distances to both Talysh populations, the Iranian Arabs, Georgian and Kazakh populations.
I shared this article in summary (December 2009, Pages e53-e55) Elsevier publications have published a very close genetic correlation of several Iranian peoples (Bakhtiari proves Kurds, Gilkis and Mazandarani).
Regarding the Iranian genome and chromosomes, Dr. Khairi, a professor at Cornell University in the United States, has announced the share percentage of Iranian genotypic and phenotypic dominant chromosomes of Bakhtiaris and Lors more than other ethnic groups by examining genetic kits and banks..
Please refer to this scientific journal Forensic Science International: Genetics
In addition: After Alexander's attack on Iran and the destruction of the central government of Iran: Local governments, especially the government of the Ilymais or Ilymais, were formed in the present Khuze or Khuzestan region. The Ilimaites are called the rulers of Kuchro in the surviving Persian language of today, who are considered the ancestors of the Bakhtiaris.(Ilimaian documentary made by the history and archeology department of the university (Martyr of Chamran) and University of Tehran.
The name Bakhtiari was given to the Bakhtiari people during the Safavid era. Today, if it is said that Cyrus belongs to the Bakhtiari people, it does not mean that the name Bakhtiari was from the Achaemenid period, but their ancestors lived in the present region of Bakhtiari, Lorestan, Hamadan, Kohgluye, Bushehr and Fars.. It is obvious that after thousands of years the language of any people changes, but the countless words left in this language show the antiquity and affinity of the Lor people with their Zagros ancestors from Lorestan, Khuzestan to Fars and Bushehr..
Nowadays, due to the change of genotype and phenotype of language (A mixed language of Arabic and Persian), Culture (How to cover and …) And the lifestyle in other regions of Iran, the Zagros tribes can be attributed to the Achaemenid era with a greater share..
last word: We are all compatriots and this compatriotism in various events including 8 We have shown the year of holy defense, so far this people, whose name was changed to Bakhtiari since Safavid era, is more 2800 Shahid has presented this country. We owe all our lives to the martyrs of all parts of Iran. Today, if we talk about our relatives with ease, we all owe the blood of Iran's martyrs. If in the past Cyrus the Great brought freedom and security to different peoples, today people from Iran have brought security to cities like Damascus, Baghdad, Aleppo and our country..
It was really useful
Thank you
When you write, *Cheghazanbil* is a Zoroastrian temple!! It shows how much historical literacy you have
Hahahahaha
I stayed. This is the situation of the Bakhtiari of the 21st century..
1- The existence and authenticity of Herodotus is questionable and even if we assume that it is not, those mountains did not have the name of Bakhtiari at the time of his claim..
2- On the assumption that Anshan is the current region where the Bakhtiaris live, does this prove that the people of that region were Bakhtiaris at that time as well?!
3- If we pay close attention, the clothes of the Achaemenid/Bakhtiari kings and soldiers have no resemblance to the Bakhtiari clothes and consist of crowns, headbands and capes that can be found in any nation in the world.. And if we pay more attention, the Achaemenians used to ring in the softness of their ears, which is common among black Africans today..
4- A stone lion with a human face or a sphinx was sculpted thousands of years before Persepolis in Mesopotamia and also in ancient Egypt, and it is basically an animal lion and has nothing to do with a specific human being.!
My brother, you have not been among the Bakhtiaris, how can you say that they do not resemble each other? Whenever I see them, I think that they came from the time of the Rabbis. I am not a Bakhtiari, but when I see them, I see a relic of the Achaemenid culture in their appearance
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Because before we are Persian, we are Lor, for us, Lor is like Iran, which in any case is based on being Iran. Not being a Zandi, not being an Achaemenid, Sassanid or any other name, do you first say that I am a child from Isfahan, for example, or do you say that I am Iranian??? We also say our principle first, which is Ler . And not the names of our governments, if it was like this, our names would have been changed a hundred times in history. For example, I belong to another tribe, for example, Babadi or Behdarund, if they become kings a thousand times, I will not say that we are Babadi or Behdarund.. Maybe if a stranger enters our people, he will be easily accused of being a father, but if you kill me, I am a dork.. This is not digestible for a stranger, but it is normal between us. And Lee is strange for other than us. The issue of being Pars and Ler is the same. Once the Elamites reach your power, then the Pars, then the Zandians. …. The rest of the clans never follow this name, but basically they are related to each other. Now, for example, why don't you say you are Pahlavi because you are originally from Iran. Pazsians at that time, because they were very powerful and powerful, the name of Pars gained power over being Iranian, and the people outside of Iran called the people of Iran Parsi, and they called the people of Iran by this name.
Well, greetings to you for asking a beautiful question
Do you know why they call us Ler?
Your address(nickname) Dariush Shah had given Parsumash to a scientist
Based on the reasons you presented, anyone anywhere in the world can claim to be a descendant of the ancient Romans or Egyptians.!
The Bakhtiari dress is nothing like the Persian dress carved on the walls of Persepolis.
Of course, these efforts are not something strange, any nation that does not have a written history wants to make a name for itself by grabbing the history of others..
If you are half-sighted and half-wise, you can find out which tribe the surviving Bakhtiaris are with an hour's research….But unfortunately, you insulted one of the oldest Iranian peoples with your ignorance, prejudice, lack of awareness and lack of intelligence and knowledge.….Bakhtiari has such a big name that he doesn't need these things, for example I refer you to Fatah Tehran ….
You just prove that you are not original . The entire civilization of Iran is from Khuzestan, and the name of Pars is from Khuzestan, which after conquering the Shiraz region, Cyrus gave it to Fars, Khuzestan, Lorestan, Kohlivieh, Chaharmahal, and Bushehr, which were 90% of the people of Lore..
No, the people who are emerging from the black tents are not the generation of civilized people thousands of years ago.
In the mystical answer, the stones of a mining mountain are not all precious, except that the Aryans were nomads. Do you mean to say that they all lived the modern life from the beginning? Take a look at the so-called stone palaces of the Achaemenid kings. Really, see the difference with today's palaces. They are obscene, what do you expect from the rural people or the nomads of that time, in the rural nomadic societies of the desert and the desert, great people have risen among the Arab, Turkish and Kurdish people. ……… that their social culture was and is similar to that of the Bakhtiaris, unless prophets, imams, or great kings have not reached a great position in these tribes, so how could it not be, except that Karim Khan Zand himself was not from these people, but they were not from the nomads, except the Parthians, the Afsharians, the Qajars, the Mongols Utrak Arabs and …..They are not from semi-primitive nomads and tribes, so how did great kings come to power, most of the kings came from these tribes and nomads, because of the support of the tribe they had, which gave them military strength and they sat on the royal throne, Islam itself. With the strength and unity and prejudice of the Arab people, it became more global
In a mixture of Arab race, the only intact nation is Bakhtiari, and if so, why is it impossible to say
Better, the architect of the eight-year war was Amir Bakhtiari, the best ruler of Iran, Karim Khan Zand, the father of Iran's hypnosis. Who should I say again?
Chukha was invented during Reza Shah's time when quba was banned, so it has nothing to do with Achaemenian Cyrus because it is a hundred years old.
Hello dear friend, Chugha was not invented during Reza Shah's time, but it was invented by Reza Shah who implemented the plan of uniformizing the clothes, and before that Chugha became common among nomads and shepherds. Qabas are known as Qabari Qabari .
No, Reza Shah exiled all the nomads, he had a problem because of the anti-Britishness of the nomads, for example Qashqai, Bakhtiari, Lor……..
Sorry for the mistakes in the previous post.
Anshan instead of human in the second case.
Elamite period instead of Islamic period in the fourth case.
Ontash Gal instead of Ontash Kola again in the fourth case.
Sorry again for typos.
Your argument is superficial.
First, where in the book of Herodotus is the name of Bakhtiari mountains mentioned?
Second, based on David Stronach's discoveries in Pasargad in the 1970s, and as a result of his Pasargad book, which was also translated into Persian, an inscription was found that proves that man is from the region of Pasargad..
Thirdly, where is Bakhtiari's dress similar to Achaemenid dress?
Fourth Chaghazanbil is the local name of the temple located in Shavor area of Shush, not the ancient name of that temple, which was something else.!
Fifth, Cheghazanbil is a Zoroastrian and Achaemenid temple!? Who and where mentioned this article!? Chaghazanbil Temple belongs to the Islamic period and the Ontash Kingdom and has nothing to do with Achaemenid and Zoroastrianism..
Paying attention to the identity of us Iranians is very valuable, but not by providing superficial and sometimes incorrect information!
Bakhtiari dress is very similar to Achaemenid dress, I personally saw it closely.
No, I feel it is similar
Like the columns of Choqa, which are similar to the above(I mean like a fence or what do I know now?) The stairs of Takht Jamshidah
I wish I knew his name?
Read these and if you have read history, you will surely understand that you are not Persian, unfortunately. The Pars region during the Achaemenid period included the provinces of Khuzestan, Lorestan, Kokhluyeh, Chaharmahal, Fars, which was later acquired and named Pars, and Bushehr.. And the tribes of that time, the Baluchs, Kurds, Lors, Azeris, and Maznis or northerners were the main people of this land. If you insist that you are a Persian, first prove that you belong to this region and explain to me the details of your history. Each of these tribes knows about itself from several generations ago, while the Persians of today did not give anything because there is no history and they are a combination of these few tribes. are original. You should calculate about ninety percent of the people of Pars region because of their life based on agriculture and animal husbandry and because of the climatic conditions, . They were brave, stout and warriors. At that time, the sedentary people of Fars province, which you consider yourself to be the continuation of their generation, were few in number and were constantly attacked and raided, and the population of Ler or nomads was about 90%.. And what is clear about the people of Shiraz is the identity of these same settled people who are not people of war and struggle, nor what has been said about the definition of the Persian people.. How do you believe that these five main tribes, who owned the entire country, were sterile, and their population still remains in the same areas as in the previous areas, but ten percent of the total population of Pars region, maybe the Shirels people are three percent of them, they were able to pollinate this All the generations created that today you are Persians.?? Please tell us how they were born so that we can also know. 87 Also, as soon as we know more about the historical aggressions of Afghans, Mongols, Tazis and Tatars, they are related to the central plateau of Iran, which caused a fundamental change in the race of these people, and if you read history, the Mongols over all of Iran. Dominance except for the lowland areas and they were given two governments, large and small, and they had nothing to do with the Lors, and finally the Lors drove the Afghans and Mongols to Iran. . All the existing governments in Khuzestan were Lors and warriors and today many Lors and Bakhtiaris who fought as Iranian troops live in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan in the Panjshir region and in Pakistan and India and have completely preserved their identity. They were driven from Iran by the Lors . The constitution was succeeded by Sardar Asad and Sardar Asad conquered Tehran and Isfahan. And the current struggles are all from low-lying areas . History was never in your hands. After Karim Khan, the government fell into the hands of the Turks and then Mazandarani, which was Reza Shah and his son. . And unfortunately, you Asma Persians never had the courage to fight and easily took our name upon yourself and now you are selling pride to us.????? You are not Persian, you just put the name of the central government, which was powerful and known as Persia, on yourself, just like the name of Iran . Whether Cyrus was born in Izeh or Baida, both cities are located in Ler, and there is no doubt that Cyrus is actually a Ler. . Many Lors also settled in the same place throughout history and became part of the population of different cities, and the people of the Central Plateau are definitely a combination of the people of Iran's Four Corners.. Where can a Shirazi fight? Stop your superstitions. How come all the Achaemenid monuments are in Khuzestan, his ancestors were Khuzestan and Sepidan and some cities of present Fars were part of Khuzestan and Kakhluyeh and all these areas are silent. . Persian and Elamite people were a common people of Khuzestan, and they are not separate at all, just the names of two tribes in Khuzestan. Please prove your authenticity first.
All the Lors are the survivors of the immigrants from Jabal al-Samaq, Idlib. They came to Lorestan in the 5th century when they displaced the Shul and Lak tribes.
You Lak lers in Lorestan province have problems with Fili lers of Khorramabad over various issues, please lers of Bakhtiari, Boyer Ahmad, Mamsani, Dashti, Bahmei, Hayat Davoudi, Komzari, Bushehr, Kazroni and …Don't question, do you have to look like the Lers of Khorramabadi to be considered Lers? Since you were a neighbor of the Kurds, the Kurdish language and culture influenced you, and now some of you consider yourselves Lers, some of you call yourselves Kurds. Don't be fooled by the fueled issue. How can it be that the clans that Hamdullah Mostofi said are all Persian and Iranian? These were the Bakhtiaris who had participated in the wars of Salah al-Din Ayyubi, and when they returned to Iran, Hamdallah Mostofi mistakenly called them Syrians. If the Lors are immigrants, then who were all these uninhabited areas in the hands of before? And …….who lived in today's land of Lors, what happened to them, who are their survivors? Are not Lors a combination of the survivors of these tribes? Don't you know about the dispute with the lers of Fili Khorramabadi? How many people do you have to be considered a separate tribe? Lek doesn't mean ten thousand, so a few centuries before this, how many people did you have that now claim to be a separate ethnic group? Apart from the lers, you know yourself
Mr. Lekstan, you should know that you are one of the Iraqi immigrants to Lorestan, and before you entered Iran and made the noble people of Lorestan displaced and miserable, the people of Lorestan lived in their native lands for thousands of years, namely Lorestan, Ilam, Kermanshah and…They lived. The word stain 200 It wasn't invented a year ago, then we became immigrants????
By God, 70% of the people consider Bakhtiari to be of Iranian origin, all ceremonies of Iranian origin, even the horn that they play for Eid, is of Iranian and Bakhtiari origin. How many elders have said that this country should dream of becoming a child king so that the people will taste justice. Taste it. Cut your jealousy to the limit.
You are right, but you should know that they went there because of the Crusades and then returned to Lorestan. Go read history and channels, not according to your will.. Returning means returning.
Oh no, Dad, don't kill us!
A crusader, not a crusader
They are scientists!
Although I will say in relation to Lorestan, they are genuine and zealous people who are very kind, well-dressed, brave, and during the Mongol attack, Lorestan was the most resistant and of course, they do not let go of their originality and do not follow someone else's footsteps.!
No?!
All Bakhtiaris are not of the same race and ethnicity, but without a doubt, their main core is Persian and Aryan, who mixed with people in ancient times, including Elamites, Goths, Cassians, Greeks, and even Parthians and Medes, and after Islam, with Sadat and Qashqai Turks. are
a question
Mixing with Qashqai Turks?؟
I am a Bakhtiari, I am proud to be a Bakhtiari, please know the source, don't talk, Bakhtiari is a noble and honorable tribe that has created epics throughout history. Greetings to Bakhtiari.
Dear friends, the Bakhtiaris have lived a nomadic life throughout history, while the Persians and Medes have always been urban dwellers.. By the way, if we proceed with these descriptions, we will see a shepherd in the Bakhtiari mountains, who was also 100% Bakhtiari, betraying Ario Barzan's corps and showing the way to Iskandar's corps. . In his memoirs, Iskandar says that when I arrived in Iran, they told me that there are nomadic people living in the Bakhtiari mountains, who will show you the way for a small ransom.. These people are called Bactri or Bakhtiari today.
Your speech has no value without a scientific source
Don't lie, I read Alexander's memoirs, it's not like that at all. Alexander mentioned the Bakhtiaris as iron men, impenetrable, zealous and arrogant.
You say that the Bakhtiaris have always been nomads. It is wrong. You just have to research the city of Izeh and its settlement and you will see that in three historical periods, after many years of residence, they were forced to migrate three times and after peace. They sit together again "due to being involved with the attackers and not surrendering to them"/whenever it is necessary, they have done this and they do it/ ( Once upon a time, Alexander – Once upon a time, the Arabs – Finally, at the time of the defeat of the Atabakan Ler dynasty) If it is otherwise, then what is the sign of all these historical monuments left behind?!!!! In a way, you say that the nomads have been constantly moving, when this was not the case, because of the bad summer heat in Khuzestan, they spent two or three summer months in the mountainous areas with good weather and summer in different regions, especially in Chaharmahal Bakhtiari province. They have migrated and had agricultural land and permanent housing both in Yilaq and Qeshlaq, but even now the current nomads are also in the same situation and we have tribes in Bakhtiari who have not migrated at all, even for one or two seasons. !!! "It is the fault of our media and television, which always shows a small image of them because of a small number of Bakhtiaris." In addition, the word Bakhtiari and bacteria have nothing to do with each other, one is from four hundred years ago, bacteria or Bakhtiari today, there is no linguistic similarity. They don't have ancient words, these are all creations of the thoughts of today's writers, like your words, which are nothing more than lies.
Well, every nomadic person will eventually settle down
Aryan girl, you better give your name something else, an Aryan who does not lie, because the great blindness, the great Darius Zoroaster, its leader, and the great Aryan messengers, were staunch opponents of lies, don't lie, he is also horned, you were there when that shepherd showed the way. Iskandar hahahahahahahaha !!!!!!!! The similarity between bacteria and Bakhtiari is nothing more than an illusion. The word Bakhtiari is from Dari Persian and has nothing to do with ancient Iranian languages. Sophistry has its limits.
The Persian word was also discovered in this way:
The old men on our side still call Fars, Vars:
Pars
Vars
Vaers
Va-e-r-es
It means those Iranians who have decided to work on the land and no longer migrate like the Scythians.
I can only laugh at your words, or rather, I can cry because of your illiteracy and this culture of us Iranians, we all know history, or politicians, or doctors, or philosophers, etc., it depends on the type of discussion. . 🙂 And I feel sorry for you Aryan-looking girl who is even secretly dating;)،
Meg, how literate are you? Are you a scientist? Physicist? Do you work at NASA? I swear you don't even have a diploma!!! Normally, a literate person does not say I am literate and you are illiterate! Because it is very ugly .
Don't think you are Aryan because you speak Farsi, it's not clear yet, so don't comment so sure. …. Don't be rude, I said with a general example
Hello, it is nobody's fault but Bakhtiari himself, because he has no salt, why should we go the long way, this is the constitution that if it was not for Bakhtiari, there would be no such thing as constitutionalism in the history of Iran, but they name everyone except Bakhtiari, but in general, Bakhtiari's life and property have been insured by Iran. Dear Vairani, and if God wills, it will continue to be the same as in the past without any expectations. It is important for Iran to exist with its head held high or otherwise.
Iran has no one but its people
If you don't have eyes then don't complain . The proverb says: Either full salary or full salary
Do you mean that no one complains even a little?
This amount of friction is really strange
Aryan girl, you talk about Pars and Parsism, you don't know how many nomadic clans the Pars have. Then you come to Bakhtiari and tell them they are so and so. Go and increase your study about something you are interested in.
The Bakhtiaris are the only survivors of the Achaemenians. Greetings to all the tribes
Yes, in a black tent and riding a mule!
To what extent is the excavation complex?
Be sure to visit the ancient palaces and stone and mud houses of the Bakhtiari people in Khuzestan and Chaharmahal provinces.! Bakhtiaris learn riding, shooting and fighting in the form of dance from childhood
I think you are very full of hatred and revenge!
You who say in black and tents and riding on a mule. Did you start your life in the city? You mean you and your ancestors. Our pride is camping and riding horses. It is good to know that if a Bakhtiari wants it, he can be in the middle of the front with his gun. Let's show you. Let's not be racist, but don't insult either. We all come from the same parents and there is no superiority for humans except piety.
Dear brother . There are many palaces in Bakhtiari lands in Khuzestan, Chaharmahal and Lorestan . The Zoroastrian temple of Masjid Suleiman, the Bardanshande column of Indika, and the stone tablets of Izeh, as well as geological scientists, are of the opinion that one of the most exceptional and unique places in the world for the survival of two sides is the middle Zagros in Iran, which is the coldest point of the continental plateau on the eastern side and the western side on the western side. The hottest point is the continental plateau. After many years of historical study, I came to the conclusion that the Aryan Persians who entered Iran are the same part of the great Lors, who are from Bakhtiari to Kohgilweibeh, Boyar Ahmad and Memsani. Nomadic people with distinct clans and with A local language that is the heritage of Sassanids and Achaemenids
L Bassari. The Persian-speaking tribe and the only surviving tribe from the Pasargadian tribe, living in the Achaemenid capitals of Persepolis, Pasargad, and Naghs-Rostam, and in these areas, no other tribes or tribes have lived until today, only the Pasari tribe. (The flute) Because they are the most authentic Achaemenid people, they still haven't left their ancestral land. Alki did not say that the Achaemenians were ler. When the Achaemenians were (Persians) They enter Iran (Elam) They live in the central plateau of the Zagros mountain range in Iran and have nothing to do with the Persian people in terms of roots and roots.. But due to their population, Lor united with the Persians and created the Achaemenid dynasty. Il Pasarai (The flute) They are of the Achaemenid race, considering their population, which is not very large.
exactly
don't tell stories . In the old days, Sepidan belonged to Khuzestan and Kokhluyeh and the people of An Kochero and Ler, who with the passage of time have adopted the new Persian accent and their entire culture is like Bakhtiari.. Korosh was the son of Izeh and even if he was also the son of Beyza, Beyza belonged to the land of Kholiyeh . Secondly, you small tribe can never be the army of Cyrus or the original and installation of Cyrus. And what is there in that area is only the tomb of Cyrus and most probably the tomb of Cyrus is the throne of Suleiman in Susa, because it remains in the Bakhtiari culture to build tombs for famous people in the place where they lived, and I can say with confidence that the main grave is the place of Dix..
First of all, Basri, not Basri, you were from Basra, and the name of your people was Basra, you came from Basra, Iraq, you were saved from an Iraqi by the king of Larkarim Khan Zand, you were saved from the hands of an Iraqi.
Namusa, what do you Basri people say? Neither your language is Pahlavi, nor your family name, in Shiraz, they know you in Arab, and we Shirazians know this, everyone knows that your language is Khorasani, and you are from Basra, who came from Basra to Khorasan and then Fars. You have an inheritance from Pasargadian, just like the connection between Guderz and Anghaeg
God tell me what to do people, you are hot from laughing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
jKi Bakhtiaria is wearing a shawl. Is it clear where in the world you are?
Cyrus didn't wear a skirt either, men of Pars had trousers, and there were no zippers or buttons to be sewn straight!By the way, the Greeks wore skirts. When you see a Bakhtiari man, when he gathers the legs of his trousers in his waist, wrinkles appear, and we think from the inscriptions that they wore skirts.
Totally 130 It has been worn by Bakhtiari for many years, otherwise, before that, their main clothing was a shawl and a qaba, like other Lors, and this one is without an elephant turban.
A friend of Mehr Ariai
Friends, I have to say that after Islam, most of Zagros residents were called Lors and that the Lors were a combination of Persians and Elamites, and after the Achaemenids, it was the same Lors who formed the Sassanid dynasty, which is completely different from the way they speak, the type of clothing, and their centrality in places. It can be proven
A friend of Mehr Ariai
Friends, I have to say that after Islam, most of Zagros residents were called Lors and that the Lors were a combination of Persians and Elamites, and after the Achaemenids, it was the same Lors who formed the Sassanid dynasty, which is completely different from the way they speak, the type of clothing, and their centrality in places. It can be proven
Greetings to you, dear friend. The Achaemenids and of course the Sassanids were the two great Ler dynasties, and they emerged exactly from the heart of Ler-dwelling areas such as Pasargad, Shush, and Anzan. All or most of the works left by these governments, such as clothing, vocabulary, words, and celebrations Or the ceremonies, hats they wore and so on…. It is very similar to the Lors and especially the Bakhtiaris.
I agree with your opinion
Leaders are different now, Ler Bakhtiari, Ler Boyer Ahmadi and others….
A friend of Mehr Ariai
Dear friends, every article you post should be valid by mentioning the source
I am not a Bakhtiari, and through various studies, I came to the conclusion that the Bakhtiari people are the survivors of Koresh.
References:The book of Haroq, Xenophon, Ketzias, the inscriptions of Shushtar, Izeh, and Pasargad, Takht Jamshid, the researches of scientists such as the French Herzfeld, the similarity of DNA taken from the villages around Takht Jamshid and Pasargad and the Bakhtiari people..
Greetings
Greetings to Mehr Ariai friend
Friends, all the inscriptions and historical documents of Koresh's birth place and Achaemenid life in Suleiman Mosque(Thank you) have confirmed, have you asked yourself that only Bakhtiari live in this area, so don't doubt that Bakhtiari are among the survivors of Achaemenids, who are with the Elamite people. (Lor) They have become one and both are brothers……This theory is flawed when other than Bakhtiari people live in the area of Izeh and Suleiman Mosque. Various inscriptions in Shushtar, Pasargad, Persepolis, etc …..And the stone lion in Bakhtiari is most likely the Bakhtiari people who are the remnants of Kuresh. But the important thing is that all of Iran is mostly Aryan, we should avoid differences and avoid divisive slogans such as differences between ethnic groups or rejection of Shiite Islam. Friends, be aware that the nation's religion, Shiite Islam, must be respected, otherwise it will destroy Iran..
According to themselves, the Bakhtiaris are made up of two big clans, 4 Lang and 7 Lang, which means that one of the brothers had 7 sons and the other had 4 sons, and the clans are their children.. What is clear is that these people are a branch of the Ler people, and I don't know why there is so much insistence on giving them history.. The interesting thing about the clothes of this people is that their pants are made of English cloth, and by the way, the long history of this people in serving the British can also be considered.… But what is the use of ethnic and tribal prejudices blinding logic and reason.
I am really sorry that you talk like this without information
The class said this dear friend named Abbas, Without declarations ************************************************, In the term 7 lang or 4 lang, the meaning of lang was the amount of government ransom that was taken from these two categories by the contemporary Shah., Lang meant the amount of ransom, it was taken in the scale of palan donkey. Bakhtiari's local pants model dates back hundreds of years (It can be confirmed by examining contemporary historical photos of the time of Naser al-Din, the cursed Turk, When England had not yet started importing colonialism in Iran) And thousands before (By examining the works left by the Achaemenids) returns. The name Debit was chosen after the beginning of importing Debit black fabric from England, Like the first model of paper napkin called Kleenex that entered Iran or like the brand that enters *************** in Iran. Regarding the resistance of the Bakhtiari people against British colonialism, what better example than the Shir Ghali Uprising of the Bakhtiari men, and it can also be confirmed and adapted from the movie The Stone Lion starring Ali Nasirian and Ezzatullah Tzami. Take a look at the internet to confirm the service and perseverance of the Bakhtiari people in the way of reviving and returning the glory of the land of Persia throughout history, or the Bakhtiari celebrities in the past and present inside or outside of Iran..
Of course, it goes without saying that cooperation with a big and powerful country like Great Britain is not such a bad thing and it is also very good.! It is better than cooperating with the forces of religious superstitions, who have no plans for life in their work, and whose only goal is suppression and totalitarianism.! At least, England used to pay for fabric to sew pants… What have the religious people given??
great Britain?! Do we have anyone greater than Cyrus and Iran?! The authentic and untouched Bakhtiari family was not looking for patriotism to give yarn to the British! With this word of zeal **** Do not question Bakhtiari!
First of all, the Ler people do not mean that all the people of Ler today have a common racial origin (Because of the cultural and linguistic similarities that they have found together throughout history, both culturally and linguistically, they have made a single nation, even though they have many differences, both linguistically and culturally.) This million population ( From Hamedan province, Lorestan, Kermanshah, Ilam, Khuzestan, Chaharmahal, Bakhtiari, Fars, Bushehr, Isfahan, Kohgiluyeh, Boyer Ahmad, Komzariha, Loreha, Iraq and ………That is, from the north of Zagros to the shores of the Persian Gulf, can they all be of the same race?!!!! Are all Farsi speakers or Arab speakers from the same pure race, language and culture is something that changes and happens every few years and for all nations. !!!!!! Regarding the name Debit or debit pants, I must say that its original name is Tanban. In Bakhtiari, there is a bad habit that if the fabric of any garment is changed, the name of the fabric remains on it, like velvet pants instead of women's qari pants because of the name of the velvet fabric. !!!!!!! Mr. Bahman, you definitely have a problem with the Bakhtiaris because you are jealous, because you tell jokes and destroy because you are not a man to talk face to face. It is English, so what is a suit, a coat, a dress, which is an Arabic word, most of the names of the things and necessities of your life are either English or Arabic, Mongolian, Russian, Turkish, Afghani, Indian, so see how much more helpful you are now that the name of a fabric means good service to the country that made this fabric.!!!!! /////// I doubt your name is Bahman, because an authentic Iranian has decency, he doesn't insult anyone, let alone his own kind, it's probably something else and you can't tell the truth. !!!!!! If one day a politician has a friendly relationship with a certain country, he will be well-served and all his ethnic groups will be well-served.!!!!!!!!! But if you yourself are friends with a certain country, it is not considered good service, whether that country is Russia, England or China, now you understand the meaning of good service?????
Importantly, dear friend, let me tell you that Haftlang and Charlang have nothing to do with the number of children. Please, when you don't know about something, don't make a random comment, do a search and then comment.
Don't get me wrong, I myself am Bakhtiari and 4 and 7 have nothing to do with what you said
Don't talk nonsense
You are literate up to the third grade, Pashmak
Not even one word of the two lines you wrote was correct
Dear friend, don't talk so uninformed, I myself am a Bakhtiarian and the division of Bakhtiarians into 2 groups, 7 lame and 4 lame, was due to the number of livestock and the type of tax distribution, not the children of 2 brothers.
The clothes of the Bakhtiaris were shawls and Qobas, Chogha or Chuqa were the clothes of farmers